I agree with [snip] like a car engine or a nuclear reactor it need energy to 
start or restart if stalled.[/snip] and might suggest the Papp engine was such 
a design where
The reaction is similar to dieseling in that all reactants are present in the 
cylinders and the crank shaft modifies the PV/T to regulate these reaction 
chambers - a gaseous form of suppression where critical surface areas of 
Casimir - conductive gases sandwich thin layers of hydrogen gases just like Ni 
nanpowders or Rauney nickel but constantly reforming so impervious to runaway 
damage.
Fran

From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Alain Sepeda
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE

COP=6 is quite conservative, and based on problem of instability of the 
"self-sustain" mode of e-cat, feared by Rossi in November...

Defkalion says that COP is not a good way to analyze performance. there is a 
cost to start the reactor, to regulate a little, but COP can be great if power 
is stable.

huge COP seems logic if you understand that Ni+H reactor simply are critical 
reactors that produce heat when a good temperature, not to hot, not to cool.
with good regulator, it can use it's own heat to maintain the reaction. not so 
different from a nuclear fission critic reactor.

like a car engine or a nuclear reactor it need energy to start or restart if 
stalled.

COP=6 looks more like the minimum guaranteed. just better than heat pump, 
without the complexity.
it looks logic if the reactor is subcritical (like some nuke research have 
proposed with thorium and spallation )
2012/1/4 Energy Liberator 
<energylibera...@gmail.com<mailto:energylibera...@gmail.com>>
Where did you get a COP of 50 from? I thought it was 6. Rossi said in his 
interview that the running cost would be about 1/6th of a current conventional 
boiler running cost.

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