Exactly. The engineering/science delay in getting this to market will be
dwarfed by the NRC regulatory delays, and if there are (any) neutrons released,
it will never be a mass market product, confined to govt regulated utilities
and similar large industrial uses.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Leguillon
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
If LENR reactions are sufficiently branded as "dangerous", they could easily
be banned from personal use. We cannot legally build a homemade fission
reactor (even removing Americium from smoke detectors is regulated by the US
Nuclear Regulatory Commission). Likewise, activities involving neutron emission
from a metal lattice could be banned in kind. Sure, it wouldn't serve to stop
some "backyard fusioneers" from home development, but it could preclude
mainstream distribution.
Whether you call it health-and-welfare or you raise the curtain of "national
security", it would be easy to assign it to a regulatory body.
Public utilities would then be the only candidates for proper licensing, and
could retrofit existing plants with LENR technology. They would quickly be
mandated to make the changeover, for the environment's sake (just like banning
incandescent bulbs and switching to CFLs). As the changeover occurs, they
could even ask for an INCREASE in utility rates to absorb equipment costs.
After the public utilities are providing nearly 100% of domestic electricity,
hybrid/electric cars may be the next mandate by the green lobby. As any
competing energy sources fall like dominoes, the sole energy source remaining
will be government-electricity.
Though viable LENR could be used to free and unshackle, it could also be used
as a method to unify human needs into further reliance on a centralized
governance.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:05:25 -0500
From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Dave,
You are not alone in “wanting” true energy independence but I
am sure home brew reactors will only be allowed in remote locations for “safety
concerns” and politicians will work with big business to legislate and license
these energy sources making them illegal for home owners in residential
communities to tamper with. The only real savings we can expect to reap
initially will be the procurement and transport of combustible carbons and the
reduction in green house gases. Even this is a hard sell because the supply and
refinement of oil will die off and many jobs will be lost compared to those few
jobs gained in nano nickel processing – It is going to take competitive
pressure from risk taking first adopters without certifications to force the
new business model into place. Even military applications will displace
existing power source suppliers and start this ball rolling.
Fran
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:32 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
They key word you used is "meter". I think that it will be a big uphill run
for us to finally become free of the energy producers. Anything that does not
generate a cash stream reliably to those groups will find it difficult to get
past the regulations. Even Rossi and Defkalion like the idea of recharging
your unit every 6 months which is very similar to other forms of metering.
We the consumers need to battle hard to obtain true independence or in the
worst case the ability to recharge our own units by buying new cores from
competitive sources. I want to determine when to spend my hard earned money
and not be persuaded by the "power company".
Let Rossi or Defkalion or whoever build safe reliable units, but then allow
me to choose when and by whom It is charged. Forget the radio link back to
home base as that is too expensive and intrusive. How difficult would it be to
have an indicator built in that demonstrates the remaining level of
performance? I can easily picture an LCD display that lets me know when I need
to consider recharging.
Am I alone in wanting to have true independence?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 11:10 am
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
E-L,
I think Europe will precede the US but it will actually be
smaller, poorer nations that first scramble to certify and demonstrate the
worth of any residential system by Rossi, Defkallion or other entity. The
poorest nations are least controlled by big business and have now a sudden
opportunity to rapidly escape poverty – I can see these nations trying to
rapidly industrialize and leverage their low energy cost into a significant
Gross national product for export. Big oil has no way to plug all these little
holes and is probably rethinking their future investment schemes to “join”
rather than “beat” LENR and will probably find some way to purchase and meter
this new resource.
Fran
From: Energy Liberator [mailto:energylibera...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
OK, I thought he made mention of a COP 50 somewhere that I missed. I wonder
how long after the US certification, it will be for Rossi to get certification
for Europe and the rest of the World.
On 04/01/12 13:41, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
COP 6 was for the original Fat Cat E-Cats as used in the 1 MW demo unit. I
suggest the 10 and 20 kW home units, to be delivered in Sept 2012, will not be
anything like the Fat Cats and they will run in self sustain mode or very close
to it. I estimated the control electronics and the primary circuit circulating
pump would consume 400 Watts. With 20 kW thermal output and 400 Watts
electrical input, the COP is 50.
AG
On 1/4/2012 11:25 PM, Energy Liberator wrote:
Where did you get a COP of 50 from? I thought it was 6. Rossi said in his
interview that the running cost would be about 1/6th of a current conventional
boiler running cost.
On 04/01/ 12 07:52, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Based on the recently announced 20 kW thermal home E-Cat costing $1,500 and
assuming it draws 0.4 kW (400 Watts) from the mains (COP 50), here is the LCOE
and the individual item cost breakdowns.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kLBSLYjhfkssP57d3w1J6dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
What I find interesting is annual cost of the fuel and servicing is 4 times
the Levelized Annual Investment Cost of the E-Cat hardware. Will home E-Cats
become like ink jet printers that are sold near cost price to get the
replacement ink business? But with a LCOE cost of $0.00456 / thermal kWh who
cares? This is just about as close to free energy as you can get. No excuse for
anybody on this planet to be cold again. With the E-Cat's thermal energy being
so low cost, cleaning up dirty water and desalination of sea / brackish water
should be low cost as well.
Well done Andrea Rossi, what a lovely New Years present to the whole planet.
