Rossi behaviour and speech is puzzling. ;-) I gave up in november trying to weave a coherent picture of his research. Harry
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:07 PM, David L Babcock <ol...@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > Your puzzling is puzzling, Harry. > Rossi is claiming (I think it was) 10 KWatts of power from a unit. There are > few practical ways to measure that besides (in essence) boiling water. A > gale of air? > > I will give you, that Rossi may not have simultaneously attained 600 degC > and 10 KWatts. This is what an efficient electric power generator needs, so > a shortcoming here could indeed show puffery. > > In either case, a useful device, at least for pool heating! How many > gallons can you keep at 10 degC above ambient, with 10 KWatts ? > > Ol' Bab > > > > > > On 7/6/2012 3:25 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > I just want to remind people that the claimed operating temperature of > 600C is not new. When Rossi presented the ecat in Jan 2011, he said > the core would reach temperatures around 600C, but the heated water > only just boiled. Now he claims the core is stable at 600C but he is > not doing anything with the generated heat. Is this progress or > puffery? > > Harry > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > > Recently it has been reported that the latest version of the Rossi ECAT can > operate at 600 degrees centigrade or more without going unstable. This is a > remarkable improvement if accurate and it is suggested that the proof will > be delivered soon. > The earlier versions of the device tended to become unstable when the > temperature increased much beyond the operational level and now that appears > to be under control. To operate in such a manner suggests that the > mechanism which establishes the LENR activity is mostly independent of > temperature of the device. Actually it might imply that now there is a form > of negative feedback operating which tends to throttle back the energy > generation process once a threshold temperature is reached. > I have long hoped that the driver source could become independent of the > output states in LENR devices since that would devoice the devices from the > strong temperature effects that have made stability a big problem to contend > with. Imagine how wonderful it will be if we are able to control the > reaction by just changing the drive with minor temperature degradations. > There has been a lot of recent activity related to carbon nanotubes and > variation in the waveforms driving the LENR devices. Perhaps Rossi has > found a good combination of hydrogen storage with release control and an > electrical signal that work together as a system. Time will reveal if all > or any of this is true. > Maybe someone within the group has knowledge of the operation of the > Patterson cells which seemed to use an electric current as the control > handle. Was that device sensitive to temperature in the manner associated > with positive feedback or more benign as would be expected if negative > feedback were dominate? > I for one would welcome the improvements in the Rossi device that have been > outlined, but have learned from experience that it is easy to say something > remarkable but then not follow up with the goods. Perhaps this time we will > see the results that we so much anticipate. > Dave > > > > >
