When is US soil US soil? Would a person be ineligible if the soil he was born on only became US soil after the person's birth? And what if the soil ceased being US soil after he was born?
Instead of a simplistic rule, there should be some meaningful criteria for deciding eligibility. Harry On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Michele Comitini <michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jojo, > > I know US president must be born on US soil. > I do not know enough about Citizenship law to know if the mother was > eligible to confer Citizenship to her son, she was 18 at the time. > Reading wikipedia seems to say she was eligible in 1961, but as we > know wikipedia is far from complete. > > mic > > > > 2012/8/8 Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com>: >> Michele, two things: >> >> First, the Immigration laws were a bit different in 1963. Stanley Ann >> Dunham was too young to have conferred to Bambi U.S. Citizenship at that >> time. >> >> Second, Mere U.S. Citizenship does not qualify one to be President. The >> founding fathers specifically included "Natural Born" U.S. citizenship as a >> qualification for being POTUS. I trust you know the difference between a >> U.S. Citizen and a Natural Born U.S. Citizen. Even if bambi was a U.S. >> citizen (that fact alone is in doubt); he would still not be qualified >> unless he was Natural Born U.S. Citizen. >> >> >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Comitini" >> <michele.comit...@gmail.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:14 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are >> crazy >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen >> >> >> >> >> 2012/8/8 MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net>: >>> >>> Good debate! This is what freedom of speech is all about… >>> >>> >>> >>> “His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits of US citizenship. >>> No >>> conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that they want their >>> grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason.” >>> >>> >>> >>> Agreed. His mother was Caucasian and from the US (she was born here), so >>> it certainly is likely that *if* she was returning to the USA >>> *permanently*, and with baby Barack, she would have wanted for him to be a >>> U.S. Citizen. If I was a parent in that situation, I sure as heck would… >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m sure his parents were NOT thinking anything about their son being >>> POTUS >>> someday, obviously, but as explained, there is NO need to bring up the “in >>> case he wanted to become President someday” argument… there is reason >>> enough >>> by just coming here. >>> >>> >>> >>> If that was you bringing in your newborn, would you not want your child to >>> be a US citizen? >>> >>> >>> >>> I must confess, I have only looked at a limited amount of the arguments >>> and >>> evidence about the whole issue, so am on the fence so far… perhaps after >>> the >>> next election we’ll find out? Or not… >>> >>> >>> >>> -Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:02 PM >>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are >>> crazy >>> >>> >>> >>> Straw Man argument. >>> >>> >>> >>> First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all >>> births in the newspaper. During that time, anyone can report a birth to >>> Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in Hawaii. >>> Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported birth. Funny >>> though >>> cause that address belongs to the grandparents, not bambi's parents. >>> >>> >>> >>> Second, there is no need to argue that his grandparents secretly conspired >>> to make him a citizen because they knew he was going to be president. >>> That's a straw man. His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits >>> of US citizenship. No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that >>> they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> But just give me a simple explanation why his Hawaii Vault BC is still >>> secret. He can end this Birther conspiracy movement with a single phone >>> call to release his vault BC. Why hasn't he done it? All your eloquent >>> reasons will not overcome this simple fact. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>> >> >> >
