John,
You are pointing out some interesting possibilities. I suspect that the internal field pattern of the magnetized material in your item 1 is adjusted by the placement of new metal around the magnet. It might actually increase the net flux locked within the total structure since there is less magnetic resistance with better paths available for that flux to flow. This must result in less energy required to establish the final field since we see that some is extracted by the placement of the iron piece. I suggest that the above analysis points out that the magnet might not become demagnetized to extract energy, but instead we find the flux redirected. I do believe as you say that energy must be released if in fact the magnet is demagnetized but that is slightly different. That is a good analogy of the magnets being a high tech spring. The spring constant is non linear in the case of magnets, but the principle is the similar. We need to figure out how much energy is stored within the high tech springs before we know whether or not it is sufficient to achieve what is observed. The fact that the motors seem to run out of gas tends to support a finite amount of energy to draw from. Why do you think that magnetic cooling breaks the CoE? I suspect that this is operating similar to my description of the method to extract energy from the magnetic field by allowing it to perform work on an external object. You would need to find a method of allowing heat energy to be added to the cooling magnetic material by the local matter needing to be cooled. Each time we extract the newly established energy, more must be supplied to replace what we absorb. This looks like a good subject to follow up on as a learning experience. I do not know enough about NMR to comment. I wish I did. I agree that there is plenty that is not understood about physics. Every generation thinks that they have all the answers, but the discoveries keep coming in and I expect physics should have its own Moore's law describing how fast it advances. I place my bets that it will take a very long time before everything is known and understood in science. If lucky, some of our alien friends might take time to explain some of the more important issues to us. That is assuming that they exist of course. Dave -----Original Message----- From: John Berry <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2013 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down So there are two somewhat simple possibilities. 1: Magnets become demagnetized, the energy stored in their fields is depleted. 2: The magnets enter a state of greater attraction or greater repulsion or both over the run, this is essentially then a high tech spring that is being unwound. But do either of these really provide enough energy? It seems doubtful, also they are mutually exclusive. On to the slightly more far fetched ideas. 3: Magnetic cooling, it would seemingly break the slightly less respected law (or lore) of CoE. 4: NMR, turning into torque how? How about another possibility is considered. Conventional science has a huge piece missing from it's model of the universe. A piece that once understood will make things such as this possible? Is anyone denying that there is evidence for extraordinary and everyday anomalies out of the reach of conventional physics, except possibly if quantum physics was expanded and altered and used in a liberal manner as 'what the bleep' and 'the secret' have. Let's not forget all the reports at :http://amasci.com/weird.html Energy may be pulled from the vacuum/aether/whatever. But do we know that it can't be created? That is just an idea someone had but it does not make it true, it is entirely impossible to know ever if such a thing is or is not actually possible, since you can't possibly know that there is nothing outside of your knowledge. And it is worth noting that Neutrinos were created based on faith that energy was conserved in various nuclear interactions where it wasn't, neutrinos are of course almost unobservable. If a device seems to create energy, it could simply be coming from some place you don't know of. And if you can't find any interaction that creates energy, that does not preclude such. It is also interesting to note that mass can be created from energy (mass is not conserved), by creating collisions more massive particles can come about than was there initially. Physics isn't a religion, such reluctance to consider 'heretical' ideas only hinders progress. John
