Thanks for the comment, Dave. With respect to your comment about how
science advances, I find two mechanisms are at work. A person either
looks at what Nature does and tries to find out how the behavior
functions. Or a person IMAGINES how Nature might function and looks
for justification for what is imagined. Modern physics seems
determined to ignore the first method and concentrate on the second.
Most of the discussion on Vortex ignores how Nature actually behaves
and tries to imagine what might occur. This becomes a mental game
rather than an effort to understand Nature.
In addition, over the centuries, basic behaviors (LAWS) have been
discovered that will not be changed in the future. Modern physics
seems determined to ignore these laws because other behaviors and
exceptions can be imagined. I suspect physicists are no longer even
taught the laws of thermodynamics. Consequently, physics is determined
to keep rediscovering the wheel by questioning everything, generally
for no benefit other than to write a new paper. Meanwhile, technology
(engineering) is moving so fast that even scientists cannot keep up.
These are indeed strange times.
Ed
On Jun 21, 2013, at 11:21 AM, David Roberson wrote:
I agree Ed. Both you and Jones have stated the situation eloquently
and I hope that John gives considerable thought to what has been said.
I suppose that one reason that any current modern physics
determination can be overturned by a knowledgeable skeptic is that
they all are the current ideas which one day will be replaced by
updated ones. This is scientific progress as it should be. For
example, Newton's old laws were assumed perfect at the time, but
Einstein came along and improved them with his breakthroughs.
So, now Rossi has his device under scrutiny by the skeptics who can
always find some reason to complain. Most if not all of the reasons
thus far suggested are invalid, but the skeptics seem to keep
themselves occupied. This is their job and they would not know how
to behave otherwise so I guess we have to cut them some slack. I
would be concerned if what they spread throughout the Internet were
able to delay the solution to many of the needs of mankind.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Cc: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2013 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
Well said, JONES!!! This is exactly the situation. Physics has sold
the governments of the world on spending money for research that has
practically no value. This use of money limits what else can be
explored and greatly distorts what can be discovered. LENR has been
rejected and held to a very high standard simply because it threatens
this spending, as you so clearly state. When LENR is finally applied
at a level that even an idiot will have to accept, the physics
community will have to explain why this acceptance took so long when
so much evidence was available and when the need for the energy was so
great. Careful evaluation and rational skepticism is important but
rational limits must be applied because EVERYTHING believed by science
can be rejected by a determined skeptic. We would still be in the
Dark Ages if rational limits to skepticism had not been agreed to and
applied in science. Why is so hard to do now with LENR?
Ed
On Jun 21, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
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> From: John Milstone
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> For starters, CERN isn't selling "franchises" to the Higgs Boson.
> CERN
> doesn't rely on "secret" customers and "secret" experts to validate
> their
> work. Etc, etc.
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>
>
>
> This is complete bull crap ! Big Science is doing much worse than
> that.
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>
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> But more so with regard to ITER or NOVA or Hot Fusion or other Big
> Science
> projects that are threatened by LENR than with CERN.
>
>
>
> The physics establishment is essentially selling "franchises" to
> every
> overpaid PhD and "yes-man" techie on the large staffs - who would be
> fired,
> if this kind of no-bid work were to be made moot by LENR.
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>
>
> CERN might survive, but ITER and other extremely generous projects
> with
> routine $250k salaries would bite the dust!
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> That is billions of dollars of bribe money, being paid out to an
> elite group
> to "tow the company line" ... That is far more despicable than
Rossi
> struggling for investment capital.
>
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