Jed, Not everything is intended for science. I see no reason that Defkalion should be assumed to be required to display the science behind their inventions. I would love to know their data, their theoretical models, ..... but...... When was the last time you saw CocaCola list their ingredients, or Boeing their data sheets and methods of heat treating rotor blades,. or Intel's methods of etching circuits, or the spec sheets for the Keyhole satellite systems ..... "are not science and not engineering" - they can be using very advanced science or engineering that you do not know about. Yes, it is great when science is shared but it can still be science and engineering without that. Dennis
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:27:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe... From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Frederic Gilardone is quoted: Currently, the temperatures obtained are of the order of 600 ° C in the secondary circuit through the use of appropriate thermal fluids. The reactor can be activated and deactivated in a short period of time and the reaction is quite mastered (about 20 to 30 minutes after start). . . .What is it with the people who visit Defkalion?!? They don't have wristwatches? They don't carry pens or a pad of paper?!? "About 20 to 30 minutes" -- what the hell is that supposed to mean? Which is it? 20 or 30? How many times did you observe it? Did you write down the start time and duration to full power, or did you stand there gaping? "On the order of 600°C" means what? 550°C? 670°C +/- 30°C? What kind of calorimetry do they use? What is the flow rate? How has it been calibrated? What instruments do they use to measure input power? This is terribly annoying. Dekalion has is annoying! To my knowledge they have never published a calibration curve or any other qualitative data. These impressionistic reports are not science and not engineering. They are public relations fluff, like the science reporting in the "USA Today" newspaper. - Jed