On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:58 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pen, googling it finds results but I have not found anything that are > saying the same things. > For instance lines such as 'animal magnetism doesn't exist', or some other > specific form of magnetism. > Or 'magnetism doesn't exist by your logic...' > > Harry, you lost me. But saying magnetism is an illusion created by > electric fields being unmasked by the distorting effects of motion is > certainly not saying motion is an illusion. > > > What is the momentum of a football player? It depends on a football player's velocity relative to a given frame of reference. However, momentum is not deemed to be illusion just because it depends on relative motion. If momentum is an illusion then so is motion. You argument about magnetism being an illusion leads to a similar conclusion about the illusion of motion. Harry > > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:42 AM, H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Except for when I have written it, I have never seen the words >>> "Magnetism doesn't exist" written. >>> >>> But this confuses me because while the illusion of magnetism is pretty >>> convincing we can all agree the expected forces in any magnetic situation >>> are electric at each end (magnetic fields are created by and felt as >>> electric fields orthogonal to the claimed magnetic field). >>> And the expected so-called magnetic forces are predicted by the >>> distortion of motion on electric fields. >>> >>> Each and every magnetic force/induction from magnetism can be expected >>> by looking at how the electric fields are distorted through motion. >>> >>> And when I first figured that out, I thought it was just my idea, till >>> the good folks on this list many years ago pointed out that all of this was >>> known, that Special Relativity included precisely this. >>> >>> So given that the forces are expected without any magnetic field, just a >>> complete (and complex) analysis of electric fields distorting from motion >>> (vector sum analysis). >>> And given that magnetic fields are only created by moving charges and >>> only ever felt as a perpendicular electrical force. >>> >>> They why does no one else but me say "Magnetic fields do not exist!"?? >>> >>> >> This requires that motion also does not exist or is illusion. >> >> Harry >> >> Certainly they are a convincing and useful illusion. >>> Sure, holding 2 permanent magnets can make holding this belief very >>> hard, but but if the permanent magnets are replaced with electromagnets it >>> is easy to see how all the expected forces and induction occurs from the >>> moving electric fields pancaking, and the lines bending when feed AC. >>> >>> John >>> >> >> For >> > >
