U R welcome, ChemE!

Does anyone know if the astronauts have ever done the magnet and iron-filings kind of thing while in zero-g???

Anyone know of such an experiment done in a vacuum in 1g???

Is my assumption valid that the mag-field lines would still be obvious... i.e., that this is possibly a physical manifestation of the polarization of the vacuum...

-mi

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:

 Mark,

That was a good paper, thanks for posting

On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:04 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint < [email protected] <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> > wrote: You might look at this paper as well; I&rsquo;ve mentioned it many moons ago. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>

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Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields, Xing-Hao Ye <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2> <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
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The electric and magnetic fields are investigated on the basis of quantum vacuum. The analysis of the electromagnetic energy and force indicates that an electric field is a polarized distribution of the vacuum virtual dipoles, and that a magnetic field in vacuum is a rearrangement of the vacuum polarization. It means that an electromagnetic wave is a successional changing of the vacuum polarization in space. Also, it is found that the average half length of the virtual dipoles around an elementary charge is a=2.8 *10^(-15)m. The result leads to the step distribution of the field energy around an electron, the relation between the fine structure constant and the vacuum polarization distribution, and an extremely high energy density of the electromagnetic field. <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
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Finally,  <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
Anyone who has seen the mag-field-lines in iron filings has to at least wonder if this is an obvious manifestation of the polarization discussed in the above paper&hellip; &lsquo;Fields&rsquo; are not just convenient mathematical constructs, but a real physical phenomenon which directly influences matter. The scientist in me then wonders if the iron filings are following a polarization of atoms in the air??? But I would bet that you would see the same thing if done in a vacuum&hellip; <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
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-Mark Iverson  <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
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To: [email protected] <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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Yes, when beliefs are challenged, most scientists end up acting more like religious types. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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To explain my idea most simply, it is magnetic hysteresis like drag of space due to the speed of light limit. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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Only it requires acceleration. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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Secondly I have found scientific papers claim that the near-field around a dipole transmits instantaneously within the quarter wave length. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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I can find it if anyone is interested. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint < [email protected] <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> > wrote: <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> I don&rsquo;t know if your EM inertia is the same thing, but I mentioned previously that the concept of inertia being a kind of electromagnetic &lsquo;drag&rsquo; between accelerated matter and the vacuum of space was first derived/proposed by Haisch/Rueda many years ago&hellip; I&rsquo;ve visited Dr. Rueda several times at his office, Cal State Long Beach, which is where I did my undergrad work&hellip; <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> Their first paper on this topic was: <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> B. Haisch, A. Rueda and H.E. Puthoff, Phys. Rev A 48 (1994) 678 <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> It derived the formula for inertia, F=ma, from the zero-point field; F=ma was a fundamental equation not thought to be derivable. Comments from the peer-reviewers went something like this: <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> &ldquo;Well, I can&rsquo;t find any errors in your math, and the physics looks good&hellip; but it just can&rsquo;t be.&rdquo; <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> Gee, that sure sounds like a scientist talking&hellip; NOT! <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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It was Bernie Haisch&rsquo;s concept, but Dr. Rueda did all the math&hellip; and take a look at the 1994 paper and you&rsquo;ll get some idea of just what kind of mathematician Rueda is&hellip; it&rsquo;s like 40+ pages of mostly equations. Anyway, here&rsquo;s a reference for a followup paper they did in 2005:

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Gravity and the Quantum Vacuum Inertia Hypothesis <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')>
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Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> (Submitted on 13 Apr 2005 (v1), last revised 15 Apr 2005 (this version, v3)) <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3 <http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3> <http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3> This caught my eye when scanning the conclusions: <http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3> &ldquo;(7) An experimental prediction has been made that the mass of the resonant electromagnetic zero-point field modes within a cavity should add to the mass of the cavity structure.&rdquo; <http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3>
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> I looked at this and came up with the source of electromagnetic inertia is the acceleration of an energy flow. <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('[email protected]')> http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html <http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html> <http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html>
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