U R welcome, ChemE!
Does anyone know if the astronauts have ever done the magnet and
iron-filings kind of thing while in zero-g???
Anyone know of such an experiment done in a vacuum in 1g???
Is my assumption valid that the mag-field lines would still be
obvious... i.e., that this is possibly a physical manifestation of the
polarization of the vacuum...
-mi
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
Mark,
That was a good paper, thanks for posting
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You might look at this paper as well; I’ve mentioned it many moons
ago.
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Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields, Xing-Hao Ye
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http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2 <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
<http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
<http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
Abstract <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
The electric and magnetic fields are investigated on the basis of
quantum vacuum. The analysis of the electromagnetic energy and force
indicates that an electric field is a polarized distribution of the
vacuum virtual dipoles, and that a magnetic field in vacuum is a
rearrangement of the vacuum polarization. It means that an
electromagnetic wave is a successional changing of the vacuum
polarization in space. Also, it is found that the average half length of
the virtual dipoles around an elementary charge is a=2.8 *10^(-15)m. The
result leads to the step distribution of the field energy around an
electron, the relation between the fine structure constant and the
vacuum polarization distribution, and an extremely high energy density
of the electromagnetic field. <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
<http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
Finally, <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
Anyone who has seen the mag-field-lines in iron filings has to at least
wonder if this is an obvious manifestation of the polarization discussed
in the above paper… ‘Fields’ are not just convenient
mathematical constructs, but a real physical phenomenon which directly
influences matter. The scientist in me then wonders if the iron filings
are following a polarization of atoms in the air??? But I would bet
that you would see the same thing if done in a vacuum…
<http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
<http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
-Mark Iverson <http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
<http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.1305v2>
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia
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Yes, when beliefs are challenged, most scientists end up acting more
like religious types.
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To explain my idea most simply, it is magnetic hysteresis like drag of
space due to the speed of light limit.
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Only it requires acceleration.
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Secondly I have found scientific papers claim that the near-field around
a dipole transmits instantaneously within the quarter wave length.
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I can find it if anyone is interested.
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John
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net
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I don’t know if your EM inertia is the same thing, but I mentioned
previously that the concept of inertia being a kind of electromagnetic
‘drag’ between accelerated matter and the vacuum of space
was first derived/proposed by Haisch/Rueda many years ago…
I’ve visited Dr. Rueda several times at his office, Cal State Long
Beach, which is where I did my undergrad work…
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Their first paper on this topic was:
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B. Haisch, A. Rueda and H.E. Puthoff, Phys. Rev A 48 (1994) 678
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It derived the formula for inertia, F=ma, from the zero-point field;
F=ma was a fundamental equation not thought to be derivable. Comments
from the peer-reviewers went something like this:
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“Well, I can’t find any errors in your math, and the physics
looks good… but it just can’t be.”
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Gee, that sure sounds like a scientist talking… NOT!
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It was Bernie Haisch’s concept, but Dr. Rueda did all the
math… and take a look at the 1994 paper and you’ll get
some idea of just what kind of mathematician Rueda is… it’s
like 40+ pages of mostly equations. Anyway, here’s a reference
for a followup paper they did in 2005:
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Gravity and the Quantum Vacuum Inertia Hypothesis
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Alfonso Rueda, Bernard Haisch
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(Submitted on 13 Apr 2005 (v1), last revised 15 Apr 2005 (this version,
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http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3
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<http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3>
This caught my eye when scanning the conclusions:
<http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3>
“(7) An experimental prediction has been made that the mass of the
resonant electromagnetic zero-point field modes within a cavity should
add to the mass of the cavity structure.”
<http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3>
-Mark Iverson <http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0504061v3>
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia
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I looked at this and came up with the source of electromagnetic inertia
is the acceleration of an energy flow.
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