On 02-Jan-02,* Matt*, of Planet Eros, wrote these Wise Words:
>> Now THAT explains a LOT!!!!! I never realized he was in
>> that category,
>
> Well he's meticulous, that's all.
For a programmer, I would bet that that is a key virtue!
...just makes it hell for those klutzes like me who have
to wait out the "making it perfect" stage. : )
> This is pretty much what MUI 4 is - actual new functionality is
> thin on the ground - it's mostly improvements to the standard
> functions that are available.
Personally, I can live with that very easily.
> Certain values in certain objects
> can now be set() instead of just get() for reference.. this isn't a
> massive deal.
Well, I am glad there are folks out there like you who know
what you meant when you said that... it is all Greek to me. : )
>> . He
>> could program little things SO quickly with MUI... he loved it,
>> and convinced me of its strengths.
>
> That is in fact MUI's whole problem.
Sigh... too often that is what happens when something "hard"
is made "easy" for idiots out there. : )))
Applies to lots of things, not just MUI.
> Writing a GUI is a complex process: you need to know what you're
> doing.
That is why I would make a lousey programmer... I am just an
old fuddy-duddy, really. I tried "mastering" BASIC, and found
that a challenge... I soon realized I was not going to be the
"next great programming Guru", so right after I took a 3 month
course in machine code... and hadn't a clue what it was all
about... I gave up and let the men do their jobs. : )
I also learned to shut up and let the people who know what
they are doing do it in peace and quiet. My level of respect
for programmers went sky-high after that episode, and has stayed
there since.
> MUI's strength is that it gives programmers the tools they
> need to get the GUI out of the way,
I understand that.
> and it gives GUI designers the
> tools they need to quickly generate the GUI they really want.
I even manage to understand that too. Scary!
> But if you're only one or neither, you're going to end up with an
> ugly and/or useless app at the end of it, whatever toolkit you use.
Yeah, that would be a problem.
> MUI can't magically stop people from making user interface hall
> of shame candidates ;)
Oh, Good Lord! I have visions of various programming atrocities
flittering through my mind. Enough! You have made your point!
;)
>> ..., and
>> then run that Anthelon or whatever it is called on that. : )))
>
> Antelopethon? :)
Grrrr! : )
Cheeky young feller, ain'tcha?! : ))))
> I'd rather have a 450MHz 68060 with an 833MHz G4 running most
> of my OS native *cough* :)
Yeah, me too.
Any suggestions as to what one should do with an 833 mHz
G4 Mac running OSX???? It would be cool to see what
Voyager, or any other Amiga browser, would do with
something like that.
: ))
Guess I should shut up on this... kind of off topic, since
the MUI4 is a non-issue for Voyager at the moment. Next
letter will be private, if you reply. If you wish to
cut this thread, I understand... too far out in left field.
Gil
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