> > Hmm.. let me guess.. www.freebsd.org?
> 
> Use a mirror, please.

Do they have a mirror linked to the main site?  Not been there yet, as
I've not cranked up the windows box (the one with the cd burner,
naturally)

> > > just fine, but running it on something that slow really isn't useful.
> >
> > Let's see, uhm.. No.  I cannot see any OS other than the AmigaOS being
> > able to run swiftly on the Amiga hardware.  I remember the Quadras,
> > even a 486 is zippy in comparison.
> 
> Actually the Quadra is a really nice little machine if you put the right
> version of MacOS on it. 7.0.1 goes like a beast on it.

I suppose that I've only experienced ones with the wrong softs on it,
the one I tried crawled...

> > There are times when you just have to light a candle, throw a black
> > cloth over something, and write it's obituary.  Sometimes, something
> > is just *dead*.
> 
> I wouldn't waste the money on the candle, cloth or paper. It's dead,
> I'm going to steal all of it's cables and use them for real computers :)

I understand.  I've been known to salvage cables, drives, switches,
and anything I can off of dead beasts.


> > > I'm getting a laptop and another peice of hardware which will more
> > > than provide for it's "services".
> >
> > Hey do what you have to!  I know it sounds insane, but maybe you guys
> > could get a couple of "developer" systems from those wanting thier
> > hw/os combos to have better software :-P  Yup, and the world is flat;
> > because you know that it makes too much sense.
> 
> Who said some of us don't already have those? :)

Oh, right. Sorry then. :)


> I have plenty of hardware lying around capable of doing development on,
> at least two of them could be classed as suitable development systems
> for Voyager. Neither of them work too well right now though, which is
> why I'm not personally doing anything.

Unfortunate fact of life, things break.  Real life is always
interrupting stuff.  As do, video games, books, movies, and the
opposite sex ;-)


> Zapek has more than enough wrt resources to compile Voyager but he's
> very busy with other work right now. Did we put up a new beta yet? I
> suspect not.

One must put food on the table.  I would love to say "get to work!" 
But hey, everyone has to cover their bills, eat, have vehicles, and
housing too.  I'll not pester you about V for another month or two,
promise :-)


> > Well, I'm willing to try to help, if you guys would like.
> 
> You can't really help much :)

I find it difficult to _just_ complain about something without
offering to help in some way.  

> > Brr.  That's a while.  I can see why a seperate system for compiles
> > like that are necissary.
> 
> That's why I have a 450MHz FreeBSD box here.. so I can compile stuff. I
> have projects with 20MB source trees, and doing it on a 240MHz PPC really
> did take onwards of 6 hours using onboard IDE, would have taken more like
> 3 hours on the SCSI disks.. perhaps faster disks, a little more RAM (not
> that 128MB is little RAM :) - perhaps some tweaks to the ixemul system and
> it could go faster.

Interesting.  Well, I seem to remember something about the Amiga's
disk access being really horrible...  I snatched the 6G hdd out of my
dead A4000, and put it in the Amithlon box.  I got this drive and one
exactly like it a couple of years ago, and it is definately faster on
Amithlon/Linux than on either Amigas.  There are issues that *must* be
addressed on the Amiga, and that is all there is to it.  Whether it's
OS4 or MorphOS, the disk access system has to be evaluated and fixed.


> Nonetheless, it took 12 minutes on my FreeBSD box. Who cares about compilers
> on Amigas? :)


I'de like to set up something like that on my Linux install, but I'm
still rather clumsy with linux still.
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Regards,

Dave 'Targhan' Crawford

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