Hi,

I think that most of us agree that graduation to a TLP would be the right path. 

From my point of view there are only 2 open questions right now:
1) Should we aim to graduate "all the way" immediately or should we become a 
pTLP?
2) Should we create a second incubator release before we attempt graduation 
(there has been quite a bit of development on the master branch while we were 
working on the release)?

Thanks,
Till

On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:51 AM, Jochen Wiedmann <[email protected]> wrote:

> [Sorry for the truncated message from some minutes ago.. Was pressing
> "Send" accidentally. So to continue:]
> 
> 
> As a reminder: Publishing this release will be taken as a sign, that the
> project is ready for graduation.
> 
> So, it seems about time to discuss our further intentions. Our options, as
> I see them,  are:
> 
> 1.) Graduate as a new TLP, as ant has already suggested. I would expect
> that the board would approve a corresponding request. (After minor
> discussions, perhaps.)
> 2.) Become a subproject of another TLP. Problem is, that there is no
> obvious choice, that would welcome VXQuery. For example, speaking as a
> member of Apache Commons, I'd personally reject VXQuery as not sufficiently
> generic. I'd expect at least applicability on DOM nodes, or something like
> that, with some examples demonstrating the use as part of the documentation.
> 
> The main difference between these options: As a TLP, there's addidional
> work to do. With option 2, that would be done by the parent project. Mainly
> like it was, except that Incubator was the TLP so far. Additional jobs to
> do:
> 
> - Elect a chair. (I'd suggest Till, as he did an excellent job so far in
> adapting to the Apache policies, acting as a release manager, and so on.)
> - Elect a PMC.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Jochen Wiedmann <[email protected]
>> wrote:
> 
>> [Sorry for the truncated message from some minutes ago.. Was pressing
>> "Send" accidentally. So to continue:]
>> 
>> 
>> As a reminder: Publishing this release will be taken as a sign, that the
>> project is ready for graduation.
>> 
>> So, it seems about time to discuss our further intentions. Our options, as
>> I see them,  are:
>> 
>> 1.) Graduate as a new TLP, as ant has already suggested. I would expect
>> that the board would approve a corresponding request. (After minor
>> discussions, perhaps.)
>> 2.) Become a subproject of another TLP. Problem is, that there is no
>> obvious choice, that would welcome VXQuery. For example, speaking as a
>> member of Apache Commons, I'd personally reject VXQuery as not sufficiently
>> generic. I'd expect at least applicability on DOM nodes, or something like
>> that, with some examples demonstrating the use as part of the documentation.
>> 
>> The main difference between these options: As a TLP, there's addidional
>> work to do. With option 2, that would be done by the parent project. Mainly
>> like
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Jochen Wiedmann <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> As a reminder: Publishing this release will be taken as a sign, that the
>>> project is ready for graduation.
>>> 
>>> So, it seems about time to discuss our further intentions. Our options,
>>> as I see them,  are:
>>> 
>>> 1.) Graduate as a new TLP, as ant has already suggested. I would expect
>>> that the board would approve a corresponding request. (After minor
>>> discussions, perhaps.)
>>> 2.) Become a subproject of another TLP. Problem is, that there is no
>>> obvious choice, that would welcome VXQuery. For example, speaking as a
>>> member of Apache
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Till Westmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> our release was finally approved by the IPMC:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201311.mbox/browser
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, we were not completely prepared for this event, as we are
>>>> still missing the distribution area to distribute the release artifacts.
>>>> I've filed a JIRA to create it
>>>> 
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6983
>>>> 
>>>> but since there are 110 other JIRAs in the state "Waiting for Infra",
>>>> there has been no activity so far.
>>>> 
>>>> So maybe if we could all vote for the issue, it might catch Infra's
>>>> attention a little earlier :)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Till
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> "That's what prayers are ... it's frightened people trying to make
>>> friends with the bully!"
>>> 
>>> Terry Pratchett. The Last Hero
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> "That's what prayers are ... it's frightened people trying to make friends
>> with the bully!"
>> 
>> Terry Pratchett. The Last Hero
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "That's what prayers are ... it's frightened people trying to make friends
> with the bully!"
> 
> Terry Pratchett. The Last Hero

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