Hi Alex I'm on 3G with Telstra. My ISP and e-mail account are with TPG.
Initially had no joy sending e-mail via the iPhone when on 3G. I used my e-mail account set-up in Mail to test the settings I needed based on what TPG said I would need, including alternate Ports. Found that my user name required the full e-mail (....@tpg.com.au) to work with SSL turned on. When I got it working I then transferred the details to the iPhone and it worked. Using authentication also allowed my wife to send e-mail from her MacBook when connected to the internet at her work. Without the SSL/Authentication she could not send e-mail when connected to the internet at her work. The connection I make is that when connected at home via ADSL TPG knows that authentication is not required because of the physical link / direct connection to my ISP. When attempting to e-mail from another location on the internet (indirect connection to my ISP by IP address or 3G) the access is blocked by TPG in an attempt to stop unauthorised use of my e-mail account. So for me it was not a Telstra/3G issue in any way, shape or form. My ISP provided enough information by using my log-in details and information in their help pages to sort this out (server/host name, alternate port numbers). Also have: - the TPG outgoing server set as the primary SMTP server - SSL turned on for incoming messages (Settings -> Mail, Contacts, Calendars -> Accounts <my account name> -> Advanced -> Incoming Settings <Use SSL is 'On'>) Thank you Paul van der Mey p...@interactive-knowledge.biz Mob. 0419 201 477 On 07/07/2010, at 6:06 PM, Alexander Hartner wrote: > > Hi all, > > Thanks for all your help and great information. I am also using SMTP > authentication on port 25 with TSL/SSL on, but I am not able to send any > messages neither from my iPad nor my iPhone. Both these are connected to > telstra. Happy to hear that VF has the same issue so I won't try them. Also > both these are on pay as you go. If I had to be "business packages" these > might work. > > I wil also try to speak to my local telstra dealer just to hear what they > have to say. > > Alex > > On 27 Jun 2010, at 19:39, Daniel Kerr wrote: > >> >> Hi Ronni >> >> I have a mixture of IMAP and POP. >> I double tested Bigpond and "bouncing". I loaded another account, which is >> POP3 and sent it via Telstra 3G (sidenote: one day left on prepaid >> credit,..arrgghh what to do,..lol) and bounced it via iinet with SMTP >> Authentication to their servers. All worked fine. >> I then set up another POP3 account and played around with the settings on 3G >> for different servers and got them all to send too. :) >> >> So not sure if that helps anything. :) lol >> The outgoing settings I have set up and turned on are:- >> • mail.iinet.net.au with Password authentication and SSL Off, Port 25 >> • mail.bigpond.com with no password authentication and SSL Off, Port 25 >> (but this is not active to use at all). >> The above are for the iPad on Telstra >> >> For Vodafone (which I also tested with a POP account) and bounced it via >> iinet through vf are pretty much the same. I have a few more set as "backup >> SMTP servers incase one fails" but 99% of the time, the first one works. ;) >> >> Hope that helps a bit. /shrug. (or is more confusing perhaps). >> >> >> Kind Regards >> Daniel >> >> >> >> >> On 27/6/10 9:23 AM, "Ronda Brown" <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Daniel & Alex, >>> >>> Daniel, are all your email accounts IMAP? Or can you send using a POP >>> account >>> on 3G Network? >>> >>> Like Susan mentioned in her reply, when on the 3G Network I have to use my >>> MobileMe IMAP Mail account to send (which is what I do). >>> As I cannot send using my Westnet POP Mail Account, unless I change the >>> Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP) to mail.bigpond.com. >>> >>> Both Westnet & MobileMe 'Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP) use Default Ports >>> 25,465,587. >>> Westnet SMTP is: Authentication NONE & does NOT use SSL (Secure Sockets >>> Layer)) >>> MobileMe SMTP is: Authentication Password, Username & Password & does NOT >>> use >>> SSL (Secure Sockets Layer) >>> >>> I have my MobileMe ro...@mac.com set as my 'Default' Primary Account on my >>> iPhone, so all mail is sent via ro...@mac.com. >>> I have the same issue when travelling with my MacBook Pro and connecting >>> through other Networks in Hotels. >>> I can send using my MobileMe Mail account, but not my Westnet Mail Account >>> unless I change the server. >>> >>> I can see where Alex is coming from, but as I use my MobileMe account as >>> default primary account, it doesn't really trouble me that much. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ronni >>> >>> On 26/06/2010, at 8:37 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Alex >>>> >>>> Not sure if you saw my post, but I mentioned that I've managed to send >>>> emails out while on the Telstra network via my iPad and the only outgoing >>>> server I use with it is iinet with Authentication. (which is my home ISP) >>>> I also mentioned I use my iPhone with 4 different outgoing SMTP servers and >>>> they all work and I never have email held or stuck. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26/6/10 8:18 PM, "Alexander Hartner" <a...@j2anywhere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ronni, >>>>> >>>>> If this measure is to prevent infected PC from pretending they are mail >>>>> servers it will definitely not work. Why would a spammer route their >>>>> traffic >>>>> through the invested user's ISP default mail gateway. They would simply >>>>> delivery it directly to the intended final destination. The same goes for >>>>> spammers. They would simply setup their own mail server. What they would >>>>> not >>>>> do, is use a 3G service provider for this as wireless data is simply too >>>>> expensive. So as far this measure only prevents me from send email via my >>>>> own >>>>> mail server while connected to my ISP's network. Also in some cases >>>>> upgrading >>>>> to what they call business packages does not offer this "feature" >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/205551.html >>>>> "BigPond Dialup Business have plans that allow mail servers to be setup >>>>> (particular for those that have static IPs associated with them. >>>>> The BP Business MegaPOP numbers do not block port 25 to allow customers to >>>>> continue hosting their own mail servers. >>>>> ... >>>>> Telstra has only blocked port 25 for DHCP allocated IP's. If you use a >>>>> static >>>>> IP, port 25 is available." >>>>> >>>>> As seems to be the case it doesn't even require any form of authentication >>>>> nor >>>>> do they verify that the purported sender is in fact valid. This in itself >>>>> if >>>>> far worth in my opinion as the alternative currently implemented. For >>>>> example >>>>> this lets just about anyone pretend they are anyone else. Try it for >>>>> yourself >>>>> : http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/smtp.html You can have a lot of fun >>>>> sending >>>>> yourself an email from your Boss giving you the day off. >>>>> >>>>> In my experience most ISPs do allow access to other mail servers. >>>>> Otherwise >>>>> every small company hosting it's own mail server would only be able to >>>>> send >>>>> email from inside its own network. >>>>> >>>>> There are also other implications of sending your email via a third party >>>>> mail >>>>> server like bigpond. As Ronnie already mentioned the ISP can and most >>>>> likely >>>>> is monitoring your email. For most of us this is not really an issue, but >>>>> on >>>>> the other hand how would you feel if somebody kept tabs on who you send >>>>> when >>>>> and maybe even what. >>>>> >>>>> Ronnie, how did you configure you mobile to send via Mobile Me. Via the >>>>> alternate port ? I completely agree with you that iPhone OS 4.0 had >>>>> nothing >>>>> to >>>>> do with this. >>>>> >>>>> What would help me a lot is to find out with wireless 3g service providers >>>>> block port 25 and which ones don't. In the UK for example, neither >>>>> T-Mobile, >>>>> O2 nor Orange do this. I hope you forgive me. I do understand that when in >>>>> Rome.... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all your help and feedback >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26 Jun 2010, at 16:09, Ronda Brown wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26/06/2010, at 2:12 PM, Alexander Hartner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem is that blocking port 25 does nothing to reduce spam, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't agree with your comment that blocking port 25 does nothing to >>>>>> reduce >>>>>> spam. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mail servers communicate with other mail servers using port 25. Allowing >>>>>> unrestricted access to external servers through port 25 just permits >>>>>> infected >>>>>> PC’s to pretend they are mail servers, sending mail directly to any other >>>>>> mail server on the Internet without having to have email access, >>>>>> authentication or privileges on any legitimate system. >>>>>> >>>>>> ISP blocking of port 25/465 cripples the existing zombie botnets, leaving >>>>>> them unable to spam, but has no effect whatsoever on mail server to mail >>>>>> server traffic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Port 25 Blocking disrupts viruses and malware programs that get on ISP >>>>>> customer machines and send out spam emails. >>>>>> The emails must now be sent through the ISP's mail server so they can >>>>>> monitor >>>>>> the volume of email and control spam sent through their systems. >>>>>> >>>>>> While blocking Port 25/465 won’t end spam, it does make it much more >>>>>> difficult for spammers to send the volume of email they do using infected >>>>>> PCs. >>>>>> >>>>>> It will also have the effect of sparing a lot of small business from >>>>>> having >>>>>> their mail servers relentlessly pounded to the point of crawling or >>>>>> crashing >>>>>> altogether. >>>>>> >>>>>> Almost any current email client can send outbound mail through the mail >>>>>> server of your choice using port 587. >>>>>> This being the actual port, as specified by RFC 4409 for such client >>>>>> submission. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> and realistically what spammer uses their mobile? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem with forcing users to set an alternate SMTP server is that >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> break SPF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework) which >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> a much better job at reducing spam. With SPF each domain specified a >>>>>>> server >>>>>>> which is the designated mail server for that domain. On the receiving >>>>>>> end >>>>>>> when a message is received, the receiving server can then check via the >>>>>>> public DNS record whether the message originated from the authorised >>>>>>> server. >>>>>>> This ensures that the email came from it's proper origin. Most domain >>>>>>> owners >>>>>>> would take their own precaution to prevent anyone form using their mail >>>>>>> server to distribute spam, or they will find themselves being >>>>>>> blacklisted >>>>>>> very quickly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What telstra and bigpond allow all their clients to send emails with the >>>>>>> sender having the option to choose just about any sender address. This >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> typically considered very poor form, as it would allow me for example to >>>>>>> send a message which to most users would look like it came from somebody >>>>>>> else. The technical term for this is an "open relay" and is a real >>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess this has been a problem for some time and will be not addressed >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> time soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again I mention: Most, if not all internet service providers block the >>>>>> use >>>>>> of >>>>>> SMTP servers that are outside of their network or not provided by the ISP >>>>>> being used for your internet connection at the time unless the SMTP >>>>>> server >>>>>> is >>>>>> authenticated. This restriction is part of an overall effort to prevent >>>>>> spam >>>>>> emanating from the ISP's domain and when connected to a cellular internet >>>>>> network for internet access is no exception. >>>>>> >>>>>> This has been in place and an issue for a long time - well before the >>>>>> iPhone, >>>>>> iPod Touch, and iPad were introduced that firmware update 4.0 can't do >>>>>> anything about. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there any 3G service providers which do not do this ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Most ISPs don't provide an authenticated SMTP server, but a number of >>>>>> other >>>>>> email account providers do. >>>>>> Apple does with a MobileMe account, and so does Google with a Gmail >>>>>> account >>>>>> to name only two. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use my MobileMe Account to send from when on Telstra's 3G Network. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ronni >>>>>> >>>>>> 17" MacBook Pro Intel Core i7 >>>>>> 2.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm >>>>>> >>>>>> OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard >>>>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au> >>> >> >> --- >> Daniel Kerr >> MacWizardry >> >> Phone: 0414 795 960 >> Email: <daniel @ macwizardry . com . au> >> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >> >> >> **For everything Macintosh** >> >> >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Unsubscribe - <mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au> >> > > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Unsubscribe - <mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au>
