I would have thought the name WAMUG had some value,(commercial). it is certainly known throughout the world as we found out when travelling through Canada and the USA,& UK. I really think we need to think long and hard before changing it. A teenager ,or so he looked to me in The Beautiful Glass building in central New york certainly did! Mac Malcolm McCallum
doc...@westnet.com.au Skype docmactor On 13/09/2012, at 10:52 AM, Merv Bond <m...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > 1 Thank you Pete for clarifying the Special Meeting requirements. Unless > specified otherwise in the Constitution (Rules) then the Act, as you > say, prevails and 28 days apply. > 2 As suggested by Ronni the legal use of the word Apple does need > further exploration. > 3 Has the 'no post unless you are a financial member' brought the issue > of membership into a sharper focus, hence the campaign? > 4 The tone of the third paragraph of the original mail-out on 10/9/12 > sounded like the mission statement of a business rather than a self help > community of Apple enthusiasts. Although we have some members who are > professionals in IT, most of us are not. We try hard to help each other > and people act on our advice at their peril. > 5 As WAMUG the efforts of our more knowledgeable members and useful > examples of things that worked for our less qualified members have > earned us a reputation of providing high quality assistance both > nationally and internationally. Re-badging would result in having to > rebuild that reputation. > 6 Personally I have no problem in saying I am a WAMUG (way mug), member > and follow it by saying we are no mugs. > 7 The Committee's efforts to reinvigorate membership and meeting > attendance is commendable. However, we must do it keeping in mind that > we are a self help community of Apple enthusiasts. > Regards > Merv > > > On 12/09/12 11:40 PM, Pete Smith wrote: >> Hi Ronni and all other WAMUGGERS. >> >> I'd just like to address two points from a personal perspective to put your >> minds at ease. >> >> 1. Domain name. Knowing that the name change would invoke healthy public >> debate on a public forum and also knowing that there are people out there >> (not WAMUGGERS!!) who snap up possible domain names to hold out for >> 'ransom', so to speak, a couple of domain names were snapped up by WAMUG >> first. >> >> If the end result is that the membership vote to change the name, we already >> have the domain secured. If the end result is that membership vote to retain >> WAMUG, then the domain names will simply expire and not be renewed. It was >> just a precautionary thing. >> >> Personally - please consider the change and vote for what you want. >> >> 2. Constitution. I don't know where the 28 days has come from. Our >> constitution reads: >> >> "5.3 Notice of General Meetings >> At least twenty one days notice of every Annual General Meeting or fourteen >> days for every Special General Meeting shall be given to Members specifying >> the place, the date and the hour of the Meeting and the general nature of >> any special business, but the non-receipt of such notice by any Member shall >> not invalidate the proceedings at any General Meeting." >> >> The Associations Incorporation Act 1987 allows us to set the time period as >> we see fit as long it is actually in the Rules (Constitution) which it is. >> Other bodies may have 28 days but we don't. As you see, it is 21 days for >> the AGM and only 14 days for a Special General meeting. >> >> Regards, >> >> Pete Smith >> >> On 12/09/2012, at 17:15 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: >> >>> OOPS ... I forgot another point I did hint at it my first post to the list. >>> >>> In the post from the Committee it was mentioned having to explain the WAMUG >>> name. Isn't this sort of doing the right thing, as it's getting them >>> "enquiring" about it. >>> Once you've got them asking what it is, you then explain what WAMUG is, >>> what it does (covering all Apple products) etc etc. >>> >>> You have then got them intrigued enough to enquire about it,.... so you've >>> "got them",... then you can sell them on the idea to come and see, come to >>> a meeting or join the Mailing List. >>> >>> Well that's it from me, all done, nothing more to say. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ronni >>> >>> On 12/09/2012, at 4:57 PM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi WAMUGers, >>>> >>>> Well, I have said "Hi WAMUGers" another time ;-) >>>> >>>> I've been giving some more thought to this and watching the list and >>>> comments and pondering the following, which I haven't seen answered as >>>> yet, so will re-post for interest sake, some of the queries raised so far, >>>> as well as some points of interest I have. >>>> >>>> First off, I'm assuming that appleuserswa.org.au would be the new website >>>> address. After doing a search of registered Domain Names, I noticed it was >>>> registered already, which I then discovered was by WAMUG. Just curious why >>>> this was registered when it has not been agreed on as yet? >>>> >>>> Secondly, Merv mentioned the other day that the Special Meeting requires a >>>> 28 day notice, so may not fall in time for the 2nd October. I'm assuming >>>> this would then need to be the November meeting to keep in line with the >>>> constitution. >>>> >>>> The Committee mention a marketing push in the original post. Has a >>>> marketing push been tried currently with WAMUG as it stands to date? >>>> Couldn't this be tried as another (much easier) way to try and recruit >>>> more members. Surely just advertising WAMUG - come along to learn all >>>> about and gain extensive knowledge and help for all things Apple - iPhone, >>>> iPad, AppleTV. New members welcome to the monthly meetings. Or something >>>> along that theme? >>>> >>>> Any marketing material would still just refer to "the whole range of Apple >>>> products and services" that you're trying to target. And those older, >>>> longer (or lost) members who still remember WAMUG, it may be enough of a >>>> "Refresh" to dig them out of the woodwork. >>>> As mentioned in my first email, I still get a lot of people that email me >>>> privately about how great a service is given by WAMUG. >>>> >>>> Which also brings out the question of costing? Has a budget or costing >>>> been looked at for all this as yet? Or is that to follow the name change? >>>> I know you have to spend money to make money as the saying goes, but we >>>> (as WAMUG as a whole) obviously still need to cover the running costs of >>>> the group I would imagine without "blowing out the budget". >>>> Surely if we could try a marketing push without the added expensive of all >>>> these changes first, would show if it's going to work or not? >>>> >>>> Another point that has been worrying me is... How does Apple itself feel >>>> about this, given that it wasn't that long ago (3-4 years I think) that >>>> they "took back" AppleCentre names from the Resellers. Are we (as WAMUG) >>>> allowed now to use Apple Users? Or is that something they would take back >>>> down the track as well? >>>> >>>> As everyone knows I am all for WAMUG, I believe in WAMUG's principles and >>>> work and I try to do the very best I possibly can to help people on the >>>> Mailing List. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ronni >>>> >>>> On 11/09/2012, at 9:39 AM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi WAMUGers, >>>>> >>>>> With sadness that will probably be the last time I use "Hi WAMUGers". >>>>> I'm not against change but I am feeling sadness that the name WAMUG >>>>> (Western Australian Macintosh Users' Group) will be no longer. >>>>> A great reputation was built under that name, and I am honoured and proud >>>>> to have been awarded a Honorary Life Membership of WAMUG. >>>>> People from all over the world have contacted me congratulating us on the >>>>> level of support we give on WAMUG Mailing List. >>>>> >>>>>> The committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as >>>>>> "Apple Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to all >>>>>> on first hearing >>>>> >>>>> I don't agree that WAMUG has to be explained TO ALL on first hearing, >>>>> sure as any company/group name abbreviated to an acronym there are some >>>>> people who you need to give an explanation. If "Apple Users WA" is >>>>> abbreviated to AUWA you would be explaining to more people. >>>>> >>>>> Will the new website be "www.appleuserswa.org.au"? Will the email >>>>> Address be appleuser...@appleuserswa.org.au? >>>>> A new Constitution will also need to be prepared. >>>>> >>>>> I am not wanting to sound negative about the change as change is normally >>>>> for the best. Just one last point I would like to make is from what I >>>>> understand the majority of Members are "Online Members"; members who for >>>>> varying reasons can not/do not attend WAMUG Meetings and rely purely on >>>>> the WAMUG Mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Ronni >>>>> >>>>> On 10/09/2012, at 10:00 PM, wamug announce <annou...@wamug.org.au> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Muggers, >>>>>> >>>>>> As you know the WAMUG Committee is working hard to increase the >>>>>> availability of our service to Apple users. A number of our recent >>>>>> meetings have included well received hands on demonstrations in addition >>>>>> to the traditional segment for problem solving and the sharing of ideas. >>>>>> Though we are a vibrant and active group and have a particularly >>>>>> responsive, helpful mail list, the Committee would like to instigate a >>>>>> marketing push to increase meeting attendance, attract some new members, >>>>>> and get involved in community outreach. A model that we can aspire to is >>>>>> that of the dynamic Apple-Q in Queensland. ( http://www.apple-q.org.au ) >>>>>> >>>>>> This marketing will include a revamping of the web-site, printing of >>>>>> business cards, and advertising in local publications and on local >>>>>> notice boards. Before the marketing initiative begins a name change >>>>>> would greatly help with public recognition of what our group does. The >>>>>> committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as "Apple >>>>>> Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to all on >>>>>> first hearing, Apple Users WA obviously describes a group Apple product >>>>>> users. >>>>>> >>>>>> We support the whole range of Apple products and services in addition to >>>>>> the much loved, time honoured Mac. Newer products such as the iPod, >>>>>> iPhone, iPad and Apple TV all contribute to the easily accessible Apple >>>>>> ecosystem that we have come to rely upon. Rounding out the Apple >>>>>> combined ecosystem are services that include iCloud, iTunes, iTunes U, >>>>>> iTunes Match, the App Store, and the Mac App Store. It is now possible >>>>>> to own and iPhone and an iPad, and with the use iCloud have an extremely >>>>>> versatile and functional setup. Younger people in particular are often >>>>>> in a position where they do not even know what a Mac is. Also Windows >>>>>> users are often wooed into the Apple fold by the iPhone and iPad, but >>>>>> may initially not know the benefits of converting to an iMac or a >>>>>> MacBook. We would like to help these sections of the community as well >>>>>> as those who make use of the full range of Apple products. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even though we long standing members are quite comfortable with, and >>>>>> likely even quite attached to the WAMUG name, a name that better >>>>>> reflects our activities and sounds more accessible will help us promote >>>>>> the use of the Apple product range and provide a obvious support group >>>>>> for the growing collection of new Apple users. >>>>>> >>>>>> So while aficionados principally do our work on a Mac, increasingly >>>>>> certain specialised functions are better served by using newer Apple >>>>>> products and services. The Committee proposes that we change the name to >>>>>> Apple Users WA to better reflect this. >>>>>> >>>>>> This name change will require the passing of a motion at a Special >>>>>> Meeting of WAMUG. We propose that the meeting of Tuesday 2 October be >>>>>> such a Special Meeting. 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