Hi Ronni Yes sorry, I was just tagging onto the "does no one else on WAMUG have this issue" at the end of his last email. It should probably have been no, but I don't do it that way wording lol. And was dictating and driving so couldn't cut the relevant bit. Lol. Why I tend to leave answering WAMUG emails until I'm home at night now lol - too hard otherwise sometimes. Lol.
:) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: <danielATmacwizardry.com.au> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> ** For Everything Apple ** On 10/10/2012, at 12:55 PM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > I mentioned to Alan in my first response to his problem on 22 Sept. 2012, > that he only put the display to sleep, not the computer, and it worked, but > Alan does not wish to do this, he wants "Wake on LAN" to work. > > His reply to my suggestion and my reply back is below. > > /Start Quote: > On 22/09/2012, at 4:51 PM, Alan Smith <sma...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > >> Hi Ronni >> >> First my questions. >> >> 1. Are you suggesting I set Energy Saver for computer sleep to "never"? I >> am reluctant to do this - comments later. > > When you mentioned the problems you are having in your original post; that is > why I suggested setting just the 'Display to Sleep' instead of the 'Computer > to sleep'. > Then the iMac is essentially an "always on" - 'Server' at that point. Modern > iMacs are relatively low power draw devices with the display turned off if > you have power draw concerns. > > For the casual Mac user, it’s probably best to put a Mac to sleep when it’s > not in use though, it gives hard drives and fans a rest, and will generally > lead to a longer lifespan of the computer. > >> 2. I understood Mac users are advised to leave their computers permanently >> "on" rather than completely powering off every night. Is this no longer the >> rule? > > I only 'Sleep' my MBP, other than restarting after updates/upgrades etc and > only 'Shutdown' if leaving for more than a few days. > My MacMini that runs my EyeTV and acts as a Media Centre (of sorts) is always > ON. > /End Quote: > > Cheers, > Ronni > > On 10/10/2012, at 12:35 PM, Daniel Kerr <dan...@macwizardry.com.au> wrote: > >> Not me. I have iMac set to never go to sleep and Display set to come on iMac >> after 15mins. That way screen is "saved" and always ready to access. >> The iMac is the "entertainment hub" for the house. Soon to be a MacMini with >> 4tb thunderbolt drive when I stop long enough to inbox it and set it up >> (from 3-4 months ago when I bought it lol). >> Haven't tried it with my MacPro though. >> >> Kind regards >> Daniel >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4s >> >> --- >> Daniel Kerr >> MacWizardry >> >> Phone: 0414 795 960 >> Email: <danielATmacwizardry.com.au> >> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >> >> ** For Everything Apple ** >> >> On 10/10/2012, at 12:19 PM, Alan Smith <sma...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ronni >>> >>> An update on progress towards fixing problem of Apple TV not waking iMac. >>> Results promising, but - - - >>> >>> 1. I applied your explanation about Spotlight and removed my weekly OS X >>> backup Firewire drive from Spotlight (retained Time Machine). This >>> reduced the number (and time taken) of network activities around >>> 'mdworker'. Mac now appeared to enter sleep mode with little or no >>> network activity (which previously appeared to be due to Spotlight >>> activity). >>> >>> 2. With an SMC Reset and standard settings - no improvement: ATV not >>> waking iMac on 1 out of 1 test with Mac in "deep sleep" and no network >>> activity indicated. >>> >>> 3. Applied your suggestion: "Do you have "Put hard disks to sleep when >>> possible' selected in System Preferences > Energy Saver? If so try >>> disabling this setting and see if it makes any difference." It DID make a >>> difference, but not a cure - ATV woke iMac on 5 out of 6 tests. May be >>> the solution to waking the Mac from "deep sleep". >>> >>> 4. Part way through test (with 3/3 OK) I applied another suggestion: "I >>> would suggest you 'Boot from Recovery Partition', then 'Repair Drive' and >>> then 'Repair Permissions' and then Reboot as normal." Results were both >>> OK (no Permissions to repair as this procedure was run a few days ago.) >>> Then ran ATV tests with 2/2 successful wakes from Mac in "deep sleep". >>> >>> 5. Then set Energy Saver parameters to 15 minutes (instead of 25 mins) to >>> try and get Mac to be in sleep mode while Spotlight mdworker etc was still >>> active. >>> With screen black but with router still indicating some network activity, >>> ATV failed to Wake Mac. (Sigh.) Failure indicated on TV screen with >>> usual message "iTunes libraries that have Home Sharing turned on using >>> "[ID]" will appear in Computers." Failure indicated on iMac from Console >>> log was absence of a "wake reason: GIGE" entry at expected time. ATV >>> connected to iTunes as usual when the Mac was activated without further >>> action on ATV by me. >>> >>> 6. Setting 'Energy Saver' prefs to disabling "put hard disks to sleep when >>> possible" has shown up other peculiar Mac responses. >>> (a) Safari now quits (Dock activity light off) from time to time. >>> (b) Now get an occasional unexplained "wake reason: GIGE" in the very >>> early morning. (May have always been attempted by the network but not >>> previously "got through?" iTunes App update available advice perhaps?) >>> (c) Two WD My Book Studio Firewire drives now appear to go to idle mode >>> after 10 minutes; Two Seagate GoFlex Firewire drives remain active all all >>> times and LEDs only go off when Mac is asleep. The external drives >>> themselves are not spinning. The internal drive continues to spin, as >>> expected, until the Mac is asleep. >>> >>> 7. I will now conduct more tests with a focus on times when the Mac is in >>> "light sleep". >>> >>> Thanks for your guidance and suggestions. Does no-one else from WAMUG have >>> this issue? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09/10/2012, at 12:51 PM, Alan Smith <sma...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ronni >>> >>> Delay in responding due to Mail not accepting new messages while I spent an >>> hour or so composing a reply to another email! Then the backlog arrived >>> all at once. >>> >>> My conclusions yesterday about localising the problem with Apple TV not >>> waking the iMac were not correct: more variables and tests just confirm >>> that ATV does not wake the iMac intermittently. It will wake iMAC with a >>> "wake for network access" cue sometimes. >>> >>> Late this morning I did an SMC reset to give me a clean base to start with. >>> I will follow your suggestions after I have a few hours of testing with >>> this clean base. >>> >>> Other responses with your comments below - >>> >>> Cheers >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On 09/10/2012, at 9:29 AM, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 08/10/2012, at 12:18 PM, Alan Smith <sma...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alan, >>> >>> You have never explained to me what you meant by this comment you made. >>>>>> Came to unconfirmed conclusion that my basic model iMac (no graphics >>>>>> card?) >>> >>> What do you mean "No Graphics card"? >>> Your iMac should have a Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 9400M or ATI >>> Radeon HD 4670 >>> >>> A. My error: the context was that my base option 21.5" iMac does not >>> work as well with graphics as the top option 27" late 2009 iMac, even with >>> RAM increased to 12GB. I have the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M with 256MB of DDR3 >>> SDRAM shared with main memory. Extending main memory didn't improve >>> performance. >>> >>>> Oddity No 1: Console log messages show a lot of mdworker, lsboxd and >>>> sandbox events every few minutes while Mac is sleeping OR awake (but >>>> quiet). ("mdworker unable to talk to lsboxd" is typical.) Forums >>>> suggest this may be normal for OS X 10.8 and is to do with Spotlight. >>>> Doesn't sound quite right to me, but then … >>> >>> That is correct. mdworker is part of Spotlight, which is basically a >>> search engine for your Mac (think Google but locally, for your own files). >>> "mdworker is short for ‘metadata server worker’. mdworker is basically the >>> core technology behind Mac OS X’s awesome search engine Spotlight, it >>> spiders meta data from your Mac and its files and creates a readable index >>> so that you can find things practically instantaneously via Spotlight >>> (command-spacebar)." >>> >>> lsboxd is short for 'launch services sandbox daemon' >>> >>> A. Thanks for detailing this. Never noticed such activity with Snow >>> Leopard, but it was morbid curiosity to follow up while trying to find >>> Console log patterns affecting 'Wake on Demand'. Just guessing - would >>> Spotlight have such a lot of activity because it is searching 4 permanently >>> attached Firewire hard drives as well as the internal HD? >>> >>> I would suggest you 'Boot from Recovery Partition', then 'Repair Drive' >>> and then 'Repair Permissions' and then Reboot as normal. >>> >>> A. I applied 'Repair Drive' and then 'Repair Permissions' after a >>> Restart on Sunday, from the normal disk utility access. (No problems >>> detected, but no improvement to Apple TV.) I will re-do this later using >>> the Mountain Lion Recovery HD as per your steps below. >>> >>> To Boot into the Lion Recovery HD' >>> 1. Hold down either the 'Option key' on your Mac while the Mac is starting >>> up. >>> 2. When you see the 'Startup Manager', let go the Option key and click the >>> Up-Arrow button below the Recovery HD icon. >>> 3 Open Disk Utility >>> 4. 'Repair Disk' and then 'Repair Disk Permissions >>> >>>> Oddity No 2: With iMac sleeping, sometimes the Belkin LEDs are not >>>> flashing - just the WiFi LED flicks about every 90 seconds. There are NO >>>> "mdworker" log entries in Console during this state. I confirm that >>>> Apple TV does not wake Mac in this state. >>> >>> Well, there is nothing happening on the Network, so the LED lights won't be >>> flashing. The Wi-Fi LED will flash when a wireless device iPhone/iPad is on >>> the Network. >>> >>> A. (1) Yes, it is the iPad that causes the 90 second heartbeat. BUT >>> (2) - Apple TV did wake Mac this morning with no prior network activity, >>> and displayed a clear Console log entry of "wake reason: GIGE (Network)" >>> which I think is the desired action. >>> >>> Your Apple TV is not waking your iMac in 'Wake On Lan' .... Do you have >>> "Put hard disks to sleep when possible' selected in System Preferences > >>> Energy Saver? If so try disabling this setting and see if it makes any >>> difference. >>> >>> A. Put hard disks to sleep is selected. I will unselect and test. >>> >>> Even try disabling 'Wake for network access'... as the iMac is not waking >>> with this enabled. >>> >>> A. iMac DID wake for network access from Apple TV early this morning. >>> But, yes, this is another variable. Note also that the iMac WiFi is turned >>> "off" as the ATV is connected via Ethernet, and that forums have suggested >>> leaving WiFi "on" is a possible cure. >>> >>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3774> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ronni >>> >>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt" >>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD >>> >>> OS X 10.8.2 Mountain Lion >>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.wamug.org.au/pipermail/wamug.org.au-wamug/attachments/20121010/01166201/attachment.htm > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
