Michael, I agree completely with what you write. I hated to do it, but I 
decided to stick with Yosemite (and I wish I had stuck even farther back.) 
Apple is really losing the plot. Maybe it’s just change for change’s sake.

Pat


> On 2 Jun 2016, at 20:10, Michael Hawkins <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> I don't want to use iCloud but Apple is getting more and more insidiously 
> insistent. I get pestered with messages about updates to iOS but can't work 
> out a safe way of finding out before I download and install what the update 
> will actually do. I feel as if the update has already been downloaded - 
> that's the inference I draw from messages telling me the update is ready to 
> install. iTunes has run rampant through my music and CDs I had the right to 
> copy onto my laptop seem to have become subsumed into iTunes, as if they're 
> on loan from Apple. Memories, real or imagined, of Microsoft's practices in 
> the late nineties and early 2000's come to the fore
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2 Jun 2016, at 7:55 PM, Rod Blitvich <rb...@iinet.net.au 
> <mailto:rb...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
> 
>> Blasphemy! 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>  Good Ideas 
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>>  rb...@iinet.net.au <x-msg://329/rb...@iinet.net.au> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 6:45 PM, Michael Hawkins 
>>> <michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au 
>>> <mailto:michael.hawk...@mjhawkins.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Windows is starting to look strangely attractive
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 3:53 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Getting worse!
>>>> 
>>>> Now Contacts has “self restored”.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 15:43, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ronni,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is weird.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have made a search for the App Support folder across 2 years  in TIme 
>>>>> Machine and Contacts and Address Book and neither are there where you 
>>>>> suggested. Then in the HD drive same thing  - neither Address Book nor 
>>>>> Contacts are there!
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Bill
>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 14:58, Ronni Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok Bill,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You said you have Time Machine Backups
>>>>>> Quit all applications, or at least - Quit Mail and Contacts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you need to Restore from Time Machine backup:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This folder needs to be restored:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Open the Library folder in your home folder by holding down the option 
>>>>>> key and selecting
>>>>>>           Go ▹ Library from the Finder menu bar. 
>>>>>> Navigate in the usual way to the item indicated 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Enter Time Machine 
>>>>>> Then Go to ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook and Restore the 
>>>>>> Address Book content from a Time Machine backup
>>>>>> Copy the entire contents of the Address Book folder from the backup and 
>>>>>> overwrite the contents of this folder on your system drive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Once the Restore is complete, Relaunch Contacts and you should see your 
>>>>>> contacts listed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>>>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>>>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>>>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> El Capitan OS X 10.11.5
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 2:41 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ronni,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did both.  There is nothing there either way except the one contact I 
>>>>>>> put in this am.   Also when typing email reciripient names, they 
>>>>>>> usually come up but that seems to be at fault as well ( several 
>>>>>>> regulars missing)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:ro...@mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I replied earlier to your message but my reply did not come through to 
>>>>>>>> the list.
>>>>>>>> Hence my message to test if the WAMUG mailing server was down which 
>>>>>>>> did come to the list... But my original reply message has not?? Go 
>>>>>>>> figure :)
>>>>>>>> So I've copied my reply message to you below:
>>>>>>>> --- 
>>>>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you are using iCloud:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Make sure you are Signed In - System Preferences > iCloud and Contacts 
>>>>>>>> is Selected.
>>>>>>>> Deselected Contacts and then Reselected it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you are NOT using iCloud. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Go to System Preferences > Users and Groups > Your Admin Card > Click 
>>>>>>>> Contacts Card: "Open Button”. 
>>>>>>>> All cards previously in your Address Book should recover.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 12:14 PM, Bill Parker <ren...@westnet.com.au 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:ren...@westnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Wamuggers,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I just had occasion to check an email address, it did not appear as I 
>>>>>>>>> typed the recipient’s details.  I went to Contacts and and found 
>>>>>>>>> nothing.  All my contacts gone.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have Timemachine of course, but where would I look to find the 
>>>>>>>>> contacts entries.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> 
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