Thanks everyone for the answers. This is a proof of the web2py community responsivity. At least you have convinced me to try it, and I will employ it in my present project (webgis field). So probably you'll see me very active with questions! Massimo: I know you're italian too, but I thought it's preferable to write in english on this ml being an international one. If you don't mind, I'll write in italian :)
giovanni On 13 Mag, 07:17, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > I agree. Consider this: practically every school/college/university in > the country has switched to Python in their intro sequence programming > courses within the last 3 years. These people are hitting the job > market now. This means in the long term it should be easy for any > company to find Python programmers. > > It is also instructive to look at the popularity trends (google.com/ > trends) of "ruby on rails", "php" and "turbogears". Unfortunatly > trends does not work very well with web2py (because it is too recent) > and Django (because of too many name conflicts). > > Massimo > > On May 12, 11:46 pm, JohnMc <maruadventu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I would offer one other suggestion. > > > - If standards committee are part of any assessment process; consider > > pitching Python as the language being used for the development. > > > This would be especially true if Python is on the 'approved' stds list > > in the company. > > > JohnMc > > > On May 12, 5:19 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > > > > If you have made up your mind about using web2py and you have to go > > > through committees to have it approved you should consider: > > > > - print a copy > > > ofhttp://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples/static/web2py_vs_others.pdf > > > (outdated but better than nothing) > > > - make list of open issues and bug reports for web2py and competing > > > frameworks > > > - check responsiveness of mailing lists by asking web2py/dago/rails/ > > > etc the same questions. > > > - getting a quote for professional support time from one of the > > > associated companies > > > > Massimo > > > > On May 12, 3:28 pm, JohnMc <maruadventu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I will give you a perspective from someone who comes from a web/php - > > > > cakephp perspective -- > > > > > On May 12, 4:30 am, giohappy <gioha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dear web2py group, > > > > > I'm going to adobt a python web application framework for my next > > > > > works, and until yesterday I was oriented to Django, as it seems to > > > > > give me the best tradoff between simplicity, rapidity, power, etc > > > > > I initially went the route, Django, as you were considering. I was > > > > about 1/3rd the way though a small application before I noticed a > > > > trend. In many cases to have the behaviors I wanted from Django I was > > > > ripping out small code segments and replacing them with others. I have > > > > generally never experienced that level of retrofit in a framework > > > > before. > > > > > So I dug a little deeper and website ever website I visited I saw this > > > > trend. One went so far as to recommend pulling out the ORM and > > > > replacing it with another! That in my mind leads to compatibility > > > > issues, training concerns if its a large team effort, etc. At that > > > > point I put the cursor down and looked elsewhere. > > > > > > A friend of mine ha suggested me to have a look at web2py, and I admit > > > > > I've been impressed by its features.... but as always, when one has to > > > > > choose a technology on which to invest, the diffusion and the long- > > > > > term support are other foundamental features to evaluate it. > > > > > So my 1 billion $ question is: the web2py community seems to be > > > > > growing, but it's two order of magnitude smaller the django's, and the > > > > > google group activity is considered "low" respect to the "high" > > > > > django's group. > > > > > Django has had a headstart for one. But I would not configure > > > > community size alone in your decision. The more important issue is -- > > > > do you get answers? I have not been disappointed. Its developed into a > > > > fair team of responders. > > > > > What's you trend analysis? Would you suggest adopting > > > > > > web2py for a long-term investment? I ask, possibily, for an "unbiased" > > > > > answer, as I'm going to adopt it as a backend for a public > > > > > infrastructure backend... don't put me in a bad situation! :) > > > > > This is a two edged sword. > > > > > A) If you have to go before a committee to get funding to do the > > > > project Web2Py will be a harder sell than say pitching the project to > > > > be done in Rails or TurboGears or Django. Its a mind perception > > > > thing. > > > > > B) When the project is done, you delivered under budget and weeks > > > > ahead of time and the Director is pitching it in a slide deck at the > > > > next quarterly meeting WHAT the project was done in will be the > > > > furtherest thing from management's mind. > > > > > The quandary is of course how do you overcome (A) to make (B) a > > > > reality? Whenever I have faced (A) with management a prototype usually > > > > sells it. There is one core problem that management wishes solved. > > > > Write a Web2Py controller(s) for it, put a simple pretty face on it > > > > and take that into the proposal meeting. The fact that they see the > > > > problem almost resolved overcomes (A) and issues about what it was > > > > written on is forgotten before the meeting is adjourned. (It also > > > > eliminates your doubt it can be done, as you just did it.) > > > > > Long term investment. Is that in reference to your time/career or the > > > > projects? For a project, I am surprised if a program lasts 5 years > > > > these days. That is how fast both technology and business processes > > > > change. Yourself. Its well worth the effort. > > > > > Any issues? minor -- > > > > > * Documentation. Documentation is very complete but somewhat > > > > dispersed. The Manual and the AlterEgo docs are both must reads. There > > > > are also very good example techniques in the Rolling with Web2Py pdf. > > > > Contributors are working on documenting internals that when complete > > > > will answer a lot of questions. (At least for me.) > > > > * Helper tools. Web2Py has tools they are just not as extensive as was > > > > is available to Django, as yet. Django just started sooner. > > > > > > thanks a lot to everyone, and my complments for this great work! > > > > > giovanni > > > > > Web2Py has been a good choice for me. I have completed 3 projects to > > > > date and am on my 4th. It has not let me down. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. 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