What I would love to see is a "simple" download and install package
for WO developers.
The biggest issue with this is that someone has to host the extra 100+
meg installer for a bunch of leeches to download :) But anyone could
technically make a preinstalled bundle.
Leeches?????
Well pal you are obviously part of the problem. Any WO app that
hits the commercial market is a win for you. And to refer to
Novices as leeches is quite distasteful. So you are some high
powered developer who has no time for others trying to bring forth
projects. Well sobeit - we leeches will probably come up with the
commercial apps that will succeed. But at least I have ruled out
one person to consider as a partner or a contracted developer!! But
you opinion is appreciated as we leeches try to move forward.
Seriously, Ken, are you kidding me? I can't even believe I'm about to
respond to this.
Everything below is my own opinion and not that of my employer blah
blah blah.
First and most importantly, there's a _fairly crucial_ ":)" at the end
of that sentence -- clearly I meant that as a joke. Secondly, that
you're accusing me of being "part of the problem" really is the most
insulting thing I've ever heard, and I really REALLY don't get
offended easily. The rest of this is going to come off sounding self-
congratulatory, and I'm really not like that, and it's not why I do
the things I do, so bear with me everyone else for a moment and then
we can pretend this email never happened.
My company has donated a running tally of more than $75,000 worth of
COMPLETELY free development time to this community. We have donated
MANY hundreds of gigabytes of free bandwidth and hosting to provide
nightly build servers for WOLips, Project Wonder, and maven
repositories. And more importantly I have given up I don't even KNOW
how many hundreds of hours of my personal life that I could be doing
any number of other things with to try to make it a little better for
the WO community. Do you know what I was doing this weekend? I
wasn't playing with my son, I was instead stressing out about getting
all the open source frameworks and applications 5.4 ready, and working
through a list of procedures to try and help people migrate to Leopard
with as few bumps as possible. I actually DO have both a life and
real work outside of all of this. All those times I'm responding to
emails and building new features in WOLips is time that comes from
somewhere -- it means I'm pushing off my life or real work that I have
to do later. The first release of Entity Modeler was written in 5
weeks of 100% personal time when I found out that EOModeler was likely
going to be killed. In fact, it's currently 2am and I just happened
to have switched over to Mail from my Eclipse where I was working on
building an early SWT release to work around a crashing bug that you
new people might run into in Eclipse 3.3.1, but I really wanted to get
it built so new users (that i apparently despise so much) don't have
to get pissed off by crashes and have to wait until 3.3.2 comes out.
Honestly -- am I really defending myself here?
So I apologize that the humor of my offhand snarky comment was CLEARLY
lost on you, but I recommend that you maybe peruse this mailing list
for more than a couple minutes before you make comments like this,
because it makes you look pretty foolish. And the irony of this
situation is that when Jeremy finishes packaging up a WOLips
installer, we WILL host the damn thing on our build server.
Wow ... Just ... wow.
ms
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