Greetings Chuck,Thank you for responding. The answer to the first question is dependent on the speed as to which I can find a journal or conference to submit the paper to. The idea is to ensure that such ideas implemented with WO are catch the eyes of many both in and out of the WO community. Since this paper addresses a serious concern in the meta-data, CMS, and image cataloging communities it seems only appropriate that the portions on WebObjects read smooth and convey accurate information. To that end, my advisor has asked me to engage in the hunt for conferences where to present this paper, preferably ones that have published conference proceedings.
As for the second question, the answer is both. While my dissertation chair has provided excellent advise about phrasing the document, a critical review should also refine the document to satisfy criticism from the WO community itself and the academic community. I believe this paper to be one step towards bridging the two communities and supplying the WO community with one of the things it needs most, good documentation and publication.
Later, Dan On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
When do you need it reviewed by? Are you looking for any specific format or content in the review?Chuck Hill On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Daniel Beatty wrote:Greetings Hugi and the rest of the WO community,I agree Mike and Pierre are doing a good job. I hope that the WO can do me a favor in WO's own interest. I am working on paper intended for journal publication, https://venus.cs.ttu.edu/svn/iqsIntroPaper/introPaper/IQSReviseViaWO.pdf . The favor I would like as is, would members of the WO community like to help peer review this paper and respond with criticism? It is a little hard to have buzz to anyone about WO without academia considering its merit and showing the computer science in it.Thank you, Dan Beatty Ph.D. Student, Computer Science Department Texas Tech UniversityOn Tuesday, April 08, 2008, at 04:30PM, "Hugi Þórðarson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Of course we, the nerds, know that WO is doing better than ever. Hell,I've never been happier or more productive with WO and I've been afull time WO programmer since 1998. The stuff that's coming from Mikein WOLips (and Wonder) is nothing short of amazing.And I'm lucky - I control what software I use, and I choose WO. I can,because I don't have to deal with managers that "know better". But I completely understand why managers are reluctant to choose WO. Try Googling "WebObjects". The first site that comes up is Apple's site (surprise!) - and the first and only article there celebrated it's fourth birthday last month. I mean, if someone comes to you and says "check out product X, it'sreally cool!" - you go to the website of the company that makes X, andsee that nothing's happened since 2004.... Catch my drift? I'm not trying to be negative. I don't have to. Thanks to Mike and Wonder, life is good with WO, and Pierre and his team are doing an excellent job in many regards. But perhaps it's time for Apple to spend like 1 man month on the WO web site (like, making it not look dead) or just plain redirect to the community efforts, where actual stuff is happening. - hugi On 8.4.2008, at 20:40, Lachlan Deck wrote:Hi there, On 09/04/2008, at 4:50 AM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote:For some time now, my company has been set on leaving WebObjects. We have been running WebObjects 5.2 on Windows servers.For some time WO5.3.3 has been out... and free. And WO5.4.1 is also out.We haven't moved 100% yet, but my next project will be using JavaServer Faces. And another fairly new project will be using OpenLaszlo with our existing J2E back-end. Company's reasons for leaving: 1. WebObjects is proprietarySo is Windows. Why aren't they running BSD or Linux? ;-)2. New versions of WebObjects is not supported on WindowsWhat do they understand by support? The frameworks can be used on *any* platform.3. Perceived lack of knowledgeable WebObjects programmers (I'm in the Chicago suburbs -- Northbrook, IL, to be precise)Perhaps they've not been paying attention to the mailings lists. (specifically: webobjects-dev, wonder-disc, woproject-dev).We do NOT use:1. Xcode/WebObjects tools [Xcode or WOBuilder or EOModeler] (exceptfor me on a MacBook Pro -- only because I requested it)Hardly anyone uses Xcode, WOBuilder, EOModeler anymore -- especiallyif you're on Leopard. They use Eclipse/WOLips which is much better and improving in leaps and bounds all the time. http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Home- perhaps you/they've not had a look through the wiki... tutorials etc2. EOFIf you're not using EOF - what part of WebObjects were you using?3. WONDERThat's a huge loss - especially given that they're big on non- proprietary frameworks.4. Servlet container (which I do not prefer anyway) I personally enjoy WebObjects development and wish that WebObjects would be more palatable to companies such as mine.I do understand where companies (or more specifically, management) are coming from when they get nervous about a certain technology such as WebObjects. For years Apple was quite silent aboutWebObjects. e.g., Bug reports went unnoticed, updates didn't seem tobe a priority. But that has turned around quite dramatically in the last couple of years... ironically beginning with the announcement of the tools deprecation. The community is thriving and Apple (i.e., the employees) are also contributing in significant ways and being proactive about bug reports and taking part in the mailing lists.Please excuse the ranting, but I want someone at Apple to know thatas great as WebObjects technology is [I personally think it is the BEST I've seen anywhere], it is losing ground because if it's lack in thet top 3 items mentioned. I wish so bad that Apple would do something about it.Personally I think Apple has done something about it - and for the better. But as I've explained, you're only left with one argument: proprietary. You can't argue with management, unfortunately, whentheir on the buzz word bandwagon of open-source despite the maturityof a particular framework in comparison to other stuff... Certainly if it's completely closed and there's no possibility of customising stuff... but we've already mentioned WOnder (or Houdah, or similar frameworks)I'm guessing people's response will be: Don't hold your breath.Perhaps you held it too long and didn't realise what's happened these last few years ;-) with regards, -- Lachlan Deck _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. 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