On Apr 11, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Simon McLean wrote:
Hi Pierre -
Thanks for replying - unfortunately not all of us make it to WWDC!
When you say "fix bugs for other platforms" is that because of bugs
in other platforms JRM ? I don't see how you can have a bug in a
java framework that doesn't apply to all platforms ?
I'd guess that things like / vs \ would be one source of problems.
Chuck
I think the real bug-bear for people struggling to get their
companies to commit to webobjects isn't the fact that it's not open
source - i think it's the fact that you have to buy a mac to get
your hands on the frameworks.
Frankly, I think this is ridiculous too. I can't believe WebObjects
itself is a key driver behind mac sales so why not just go the full
hog and make the frameworks a free download from
developer.apple.com ? If apple did this i think there would be so
much more interest in WebObjects...
Just my 2 pence, being british n'all :-)
Simon
On 11 Apr 2008, at 19:50, Mr. Pierre Frisch wrote:
Let me repeat what I said at WWDC last year.
The reason for moving out of XCode is that the WOLips / eclipse
tools chain offer a much better environment for WebObjects / Java
development than XCode has ever offered, why reinvent the wheel
when we have a very good quality development environment with
WOLips / eclipse. This is the main reason the older tool chain was
removed. And the focus for the WebObjects team has been the run time.
As for platform support, we qualify WebObjects on MacOSX and MacOSX
Server. We do not test on any other platforms, we do however fix
bug for other platform if they are reported with enough precision
that we can make the change safely. A few bugs in that category
were fixed in the past year and I am not aware of any outstanding
issue about cross platform compatibility.
Cheers
Pierre
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On Apr 11, 2008, at 11:20, Jeff Smith wrote:
Simon,
I think you're right on it. It's just java now: install the Xcode
tools (WO Frameworks--which you could put on any platform if you
liked), download Eclipse (free/Java), download WOLips/WOnder (free/
Java) and then you can deploy on Linux/Tomcat/etc. (free/Java).
I'm on OSX so the multi-platform development I'm not 100% sure
about but I think it should work. The deployment definitely works
as we deploy now on Linux/Tomcat with no issues.
On Apr 11, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Simon McLean wrote:
I don't understand the platform issue given that the tools are
now deprecated. WO is just plain old java isn't it ? what is
there to support ?
when the tools were around i could understand it. let's face it,
they didn't want to support the tools on OSX, let alone any other
platform :-)
maybe someone from apple could shed some light on it ? (as
another pig passes overhead... ;-))
Simon
On 11 Apr 2008, at 18:00, Elim Qiu wrote:
WO is cool once you did something by using 20+% of its power.
But this is only from developer's view point.
From manager point jof view:
(1) small user group;
(2) limited official develop/deploy plantform;
(3) Nothing attractive enough non-technically;
these should be enough reasons to leave WO
Obviously if WO supports windows and linux, (2) will be gone and
the user group will getting bigger.
The efforts of porting WO to linux in classic and popular sense
are
quite successful: GnuSTEP, SOEP and WO-direct-transplanting.
But not many win developers ever heard about WO. As long as
EOF still quite alien to cocoa developers, WO will not be so
attractive even to many apple developers. (So windows and objC
are important to WO)
Situation will not change too much if the strength of WO is only
appreciated by WO developers. What if the following become
standard and easily customizable/localizable
*Affair Editor/Publisher for business managers to manage affairs
(eg. events like conferences, sales, etc)
*Content management tools for business people instead of
developers
*Survey Creator/Publisher/ResponseAnalyser for business analyser
*Business Rule editor and generic executor for business rule maker
I believe WO/EOF can help achieve the above much easier than
other techs (some of my work shows the feasibility). That's why
I'll not leave WO.
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