Apple listens to Apple. Im not sure how much they care about WO
developers right now, come on! just looking at wwdc talks you can
get the feeling wo is not an important thin for Apple right now (at
least wo developers outside Apple labs).
My 2 cents.
kind regards,
Martin.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Johnny Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com
> wrote:
I agree that it's not smart to wait for Apple and I for one can
continue using WO by relying on the aid of the Wonder community.
But HP and IBM are 100 billion dollar + companies. At some point
to grow revenue Apple is going to have to go back into the
enterprise.
I just don't understand why Apple doesn't treat WO as a loss leader
until they are ready to diversify from consumer related products.
They could have a great story in a vibrant community with lots of
different kinds of apps deployed.
Just my 2 cents.
Johnny
On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
> Apple is a (what's it now 20? 30?) billion dollar company. They
are (and should be) driven by what benefits their shareholders. It
*may* be that some push from inside of Apple by some more
enthusiastic developers inside of Apple *may* result in some - er,
I can hardly say the word without a giggle fit - "speedier" release
process.
>
> But frankly, there is ample evidence to the contrary, that no
matter how much prodding, begging or bitching will change the
actual results in the slightest.
>
> So I'd say that waiting for them to do something is plain stupid.
If you rely on that, you're dead in the water. You just may not
know it :) And btw, I'm "stuck" with 5.3.whatever and so far had no
real problem with it.
>
> Cheers, Anjo
>
>
> Am 24.11.2009 um 22:20 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists:
>
>> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually
listen to us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most
likely result in us being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple
keeping WebObjects to themselves, and we'll never be synchronized
with the latest and greatest Apple versions again, because we think
we can all do it on our own. Very smart.
>>
>> With Kind Regards,
>>
>> Dennis Gaastra,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2009-11-24, at 12:04 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus. Apple will do what they want. Nothing you, I or anybody
else says or does will make much of a difference. Nor should we
really care, it's not like they did something useful in the last 5
years or so.
>>>
>>> You sound like they were some sort of rain god. "Let's show we
are loyal, or else HE might smite us like the flies we are!"
>>>
>>> Cheers, Anjo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 24.11.2009 um 20:36 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists:
>>>
>>>> If we want Apple to release new WebObjects versions, beyond
5.4.3, to the community, the worst thing we can do is talking about
Windows and Linux. We should be very clear about this: if we expect
Apple to do anything for us in the regard, we should be loyal to
Apple by only developing and deploying on Apple equipment.
Otherwise, I am afraid that 5.4.3 will be the last version we will
ever see...
>>>>
>>>> With Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dennis Gaastra,
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>>>> On 2009-11-24, at 10:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give
you a Linux box ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-
less. So, if they won't let you use Mac, ask if you can use
Linux.... and setup CentOS or RHEL on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Project Wonder has source for Adaptors. I see IIS adaptor
source in there. No idea how good it is:
>>>>>
>>>>> /Wonder/Utilities/Adaptors/IIS/
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH, Kieran
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Ralph Scheuer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> due to the fact that some of our customers use Windows
servers, I would be interested how others deploy their WO apps on
Windows these days...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The wiki only refers to Apache when it comes to WO 5.4 on
Windows and does not mention IIS...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, some customers need specific IIS features like
Single-Sign-On via ActiveDirectory or do not want another web
server for political reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you deal with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it still possible to use the old 5.2 adaptors (CGI or
ISAPI) with modern IIS versions and WO 5.4? How about 64-bit-ness?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it be possible to set up WO 5.2 and just replace all
the frameworks with the 5.4 equivalents so that at least the CGI
adaptor (WebObjects.exe) from the old version works?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has Apple ever released the source of the Windows adaptors
so that they could be recompiled for 64-bit IIS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph
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