Hi Pascal,

I meant to say that Mike's assimilation is somewhat of a loss to the outside 
community; and Apple now has even one less reason to release WebObjects. 

Why don't you make a poll/survey: 

"Do you believe Apple is ever going to release WebObjects to the public?"

Greetings,

Dennis.

On 2010-04-22, at 5:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> 
> Le 10-04-22 à 20:32, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit :
> 
>> A little belated congratulations from Whistler, BC. Yes; there is still 
>> 330cm (11ft) of snow up here.
> 
> Snow, what's this? It all went away in mid March here!
> 
>> Thanks for working on WOLips and all your support to this list. I really 
>> like the work you have done in the past. Will you be continuing to work on 
>> WOLips while working for Apple? 
>> 
>> With the outside community being a bit smaller now, the only thing that 
>> worries me is that Apple is even less likely to release WebObjects to the 
>> public; and more likely to keep it internal only... Come on Apple, what is 
>> this "legacy" and "not supported on Snow Leopard" business.
> 
> We could just try to expand the community. In the last 365 days, 870 visits 
> on wocommunity.org came from people searching on Google for WebObjects 
> tutorials. Sadly, we don't have any tutorials except the one Apple did last 
> year... A funny enough, 748 visits after September 1th 2009, right after Snow 
> Leopard came out and Apple said it was not supported in SL Server!  9 350 
> unique page views for the front page of wocommunity.org since September 1th 
> 2009, so there is some interest in WO, but sadly except the Apple tutorial 
> and the basic screencasts, we don't have much to offer...
> 
>> In other words; if one likes WebObjects, one must work for Apple, or stay 
>> with 5.4.3 forever.
>> 
>> With Kind Regards,
>> 
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>> On 2010-04-21, at 9:33 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey everyone ... I wanted to let you guys know that Apr 30 will be my last 
>>> day at mDimension. A few weeks ago, I accepted a position at Apple. Not to 
>>> worry, though -- supporting WOLips and Wonder will be part of my 
>>> responsibilities, so I'm far from disappearing. I think iTMS has done a 
>>> really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, with 
>>> Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work recently 
>>> with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of the 
>>> WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of exciting 
>>> things in the future.
>>> 
>>> As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been a 
>>> great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I came 
>>> on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and how great 
>>> it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a bunch of 
>>> books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The Path. mDT 
>>> has also consistently made a substantial investment in the community, 
>>> supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, Wonder, 
>>> WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I applaud them 
>>> for that.
>>> 
>>> For the things you guys may directly care about:
>>> 
>>> * WOLips - still working on it
>>> * Wonder - still working on it
>>> * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers
>>> * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity
>>> 
>>> To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use 
>>> my msch...@pobox.com email address.
>>> 
>>> ms
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