Ciao Pascale, You are great and your efforts are very much appreciated. I have also been more than my share, in driving my internal apple WebObjects contact crazy, and complaining why he can't release any of his new work outside of Apple. But as much as he feels for the community, he can't do anything.
[1] So what can we do - as a community - to ensure that these new WebObjects releases get indeed released outside of Apple? [2] Who are the persons blocking any new public WebObjects releases and what are their motivations? [3] What are our options for moving forward? How about we do a petition to Apple and/or a "Dear Steve Jobs" email? Thanks, Dennis. On 2010-04-22, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > Le 10-04-22 à 20:55, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : > >> Hi Pascal, >> >> I meant to say that Mike's assimilation is somewhat of a loss to the outside >> community; and Apple now has even one less reason to release WebObjects. >> >> Why don't you make a poll/survey: >> >> "Do you believe Apple is ever going to release WebObjects to the public?" > > The survey should instead ask if "outsiders" (that's us) have given feedback > about WO future to Apple. For example, how many of us opened a Radard asking > what's the status of WO? How many can compare WO with other frameworks? Who > in the community wants to make WO cool again? Maybe Apple might do something > if they get feedback and start seeing some buzz instead of seeing tweets > about people who blame WO for every Apple Store/ADC problems? > > I try to do my best with wocommunity.org but I can't do everything alone, and > to be honest, I think people just don't care about expending the community (I > do hope that I'm wrong). > >> Greetings, >> >> Dennis. >> >> On 2010-04-22, at 5:45 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> >>> Le 10-04-22 à 20:32, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists a écrit : >>> >>>> A little belated congratulations from Whistler, BC. Yes; there is still >>>> 330cm (11ft) of snow up here. >>> >>> Snow, what's this? It all went away in mid March here! >>> >>>> Thanks for working on WOLips and all your support to this list. I really >>>> like the work you have done in the past. Will you be continuing to work on >>>> WOLips while working for Apple? >>>> >>>> With the outside community being a bit smaller now, the only thing that >>>> worries me is that Apple is even less likely to release WebObjects to the >>>> public; and more likely to keep it internal only... Come on Apple, what is >>>> this "legacy" and "not supported on Snow Leopard" business. >>> >>> We could just try to expand the community. In the last 365 days, 870 visits >>> on wocommunity.org came from people searching on Google for WebObjects >>> tutorials. Sadly, we don't have any tutorials except the one Apple did last >>> year... A funny enough, 748 visits after September 1th 2009, right after >>> Snow Leopard came out and Apple said it was not supported in SL Server! 9 >>> 350 unique page views for the front page of wocommunity.org since September >>> 1th 2009, so there is some interest in WO, but sadly except the Apple >>> tutorial and the basic screencasts, we don't have much to offer... >>> >>>> In other words; if one likes WebObjects, one must work for Apple, or stay >>>> with 5.4.3 forever. >>>> >>>> With Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Dennis Gaastra, >>>> Chief Technology Officer, >>>> WEBAPPZ® Systems, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> This message contains confidential information and is intended only for >>>> the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not >>>> disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender >>>> immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and >>>> delete this e-mail from your system. 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I think iTMS has done a >>>>> really good job demonstrating that they're committed to contributing, >>>>> with Entity Modeler app, eomodeldoc, and a substantial amount of work >>>>> recently with ERModernLook. The folks over there appreciate the value of >>>>> the WebObjects and Wonder communities, and I look forward to a lot of >>>>> exciting things in the future. >>>>> >>>>> As far as mDimension, we are parting on really good terms. They have been >>>>> a great company to work for over the past 5 years. For years before I >>>>> came on, Bill would tell me about this framework called WebObjects and >>>>> how great it was. When I started at mDT, he got me going with WO with a >>>>> bunch of books, WWDC videos, and helpful guidance, and they set me on The >>>>> Path. mDT has also consistently made a substantial investment in the >>>>> community, supporting every bit of development that I've done in WOLips, >>>>> Wonder, WOWODC, and the build servers throughout my time here, and I >>>>> applaud them for that. >>>>> >>>>> For the things you guys may directly care about: >>>>> >>>>> * WOLips - still working on it >>>>> * Wonder - still working on it >>>>> * Build Servers - mDT will continue to host the build servers >>>>> * WOWODC - still attending, though not in an official Apple capacity >>>>> >>>>> To contact me in the future, my AIM/twitter are the same, but you can use >>>>> my msch...@pobox.com email address. >>>>> >>>>> ms >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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