And we will try to help out the community even more. I have a couple of ideas 
about that...

> In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep 
> making apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around.
> 
> ms
> 
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
> 
>> From the outside looking in:
>> 
>> It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list.  As good as it 
>> may be I don't suspect in can survive in the future.  
>> Apple has elected to leave web development to the open-source.  I would 
>> suspect they only possible way Apple can compete in the 
>> Enterprise market is to make it proprietary and in ObjC.  Short of that you 
>> have too many people working for free on Rails, Grails and all 
>> the open-source programs. 
>> There is no way to get enough new users to come aboard as WO now has poor 
>> documentation and terrible tutorials.
>> Sorry if I offend anyone but it is what it is.
>> For you gurus to understand it completely - leaves you in a world of your 
>> own, but selling the concept I believe is difficult and will even get more 
>> difficult. 
>> Hell I think Java is on the way out along with Sun and Oracle.
>> 
>> Apple has always had the proprietary followers and they could put off a 
>> brilliant app for web development should they choose.  In addition their 
>> market share is now large enough to support the idea.  
>> 
>> my two cents
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, André Mitra wrote:
>> 
>>> except Mathematica :)
>>> 
>>> On 2010-09-10, at 9:26 AM, Amiel Montecillo wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mike is scary somtimes .... ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 
>>>> tool that does everything.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Amiel
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Mike Schrag <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :)
>>>> 
>>>> Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots of 
>>>> variables -- what technology makes sense? what technology doesn't make 
>>>> sense? what is the expertise of our current staffing? what are the goals 
>>>> for the project? etc ... I love WO, but I'm also the first to admit that 
>>>> WO and EOF aren't the right fit for every problem. There are parts of WOF 
>>>> and EOF that drive me crazy, and there are parts that are amazing. I also 
>>>> don't think that being WO inherently makes you scalable any more than I 
>>>> think being a Rails app makes you inherently unscalable. It's just like 
>>>> the NoSQL vs Relational debate. Are relational databases dead? No. That's 
>>>> just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place? Absolutely -- they bring 
>>>> value to a certain set of problems that relational doesn't address well. 
>>>> Likewise, Apple has public web properties that are static html, php, 
>>>> struts, jsf, jsp, sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others and there 
>>>> are lots of different reasons in each of those cases why decisions were 
>>>> made one way or another. In any complex system, you're probably going to 
>>>> end up with a mix of technologies. As far as "details," you're just not 
>>>> going to get them because Apple doesn't roll that way.
>>>> 
>>>> ms
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is 
>>>> > develop with JSF instead of WebObjects.
>>>> > Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools?
>>>> >
>>>> > Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ?
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> >
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