Yes, the wiki do need a good cleanup. About the videos, that's one of my options for my book/big tutorial...
> Looking at it as someone just starting to get very serious about WO.... The > community needs videos that describe everything from the ground level up. > Not just here's how to install WO and "Hello World" with every other video > being fairly advanced. To much is assumed for beginners. Also, the wiki > needs an enema. As I learn more I hope I can help clean it (a lot of the > stuff in there is outdated). Maybe starting from scratch in a new wiki or > blog would be best. Other than that the community has been extremely helpful > overall! > > > -Mike > > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> And we will try to help out the community even more. I have a couple of >> ideas about that... >> >>> In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep >>> making apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around. >>> >>> ms >>> >>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote: >>> >>>> From the outside looking in: >>>> >>>> It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list. As good as it >>>> may be I don't suspect in can survive in the future. >>>> Apple has elected to leave web development to the open-source. I would >>>> suspect they only possible way Apple can compete in the >>>> Enterprise market is to make it proprietary and in ObjC. Short of that >>>> you have too many people working for free on Rails, Grails and all >>>> the open-source programs. >>>> There is no way to get enough new users to come aboard as WO now has poor >>>> documentation and terrible tutorials. >>>> Sorry if I offend anyone but it is what it is. >>>> For you gurus to understand it completely - leaves you in a world of your >>>> own, but selling the concept I believe is difficult and will even get more >>>> difficult. >>>> Hell I think Java is on the way out along with Sun and Oracle. >>>> >>>> Apple has always had the proprietary followers and they could put off a >>>> brilliant app for web development should they choose. In addition their >>>> market share is now large enough to support the idea. >>>> >>>> my two cents >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, André Mitra wrote: >>>> >>>>> except Mathematica :) >>>>> >>>>> On 2010-09-10, at 9:26 AM, Amiel Montecillo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mike is scary somtimes .... ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 >>>>>> tool that does everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Amiel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Mike Schrag <msch...@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots >>>>>> of variables -- what technology makes sense? what technology doesn't >>>>>> make sense? what is the expertise of our current staffing? what are the >>>>>> goals for the project? etc ... I love WO, but I'm also the first to >>>>>> admit that WO and EOF aren't the right fit for every problem. There are >>>>>> parts of WOF and EOF that drive me crazy, and there are parts that are >>>>>> amazing. I also don't think that being WO inherently makes you scalable >>>>>> any more than I think being a Rails app makes you inherently unscalable. >>>>>> It's just like the NoSQL vs Relational debate. Are relational databases >>>>>> dead? No. That's just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place? >>>>>> Absolutely -- they bring value to a certain set of problems that >>>>>> relational doesn't address well. Likewise, Apple has public web >>>>>> properties that are static html, php, struts, jsf, jsp, sproutcore, >>>>>> webobjects, and I'm sure others and there are lots of different reasons >>>>>> in each of those cases why decisions were made one way or another. In >>>>>> any complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix of >>>>>> technologies. As far as "details," you're just not going to get them >>>>>> because Apple doesn't roll that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> ms >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is >>>>>> > develop with JSF instead of WebObjects. >>>>>> > Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Regards, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Stéphan _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Do not post admin requests to the list. 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