Or we could just find someplace dark to hide and wait for it all to end.  In 
the meantime, I have a lot of work to do...


On Sep 10, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> And we will try to help out the community even more. I have a couple of ideas 
> about that...
> 
>> In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep 
>> making apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around.
>> 
>> ms
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>> 
>>> From the outside looking in:
>>> 
>>> It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list.  As good as it 
>>> may be I don't suspect in can survive in the future.  
>>> Apple has elected to leave web development to the open-source.  I would 
>>> suspect they only possible way Apple can compete in the 
>>> Enterprise market is to make it proprietary and in ObjC.  Short of that you 
>>> have too many people working for free on Rails, Grails and all 
>>> the open-source programs. 
>>> There is no way to get enough new users to come aboard as WO now has poor 
>>> documentation and terrible tutorials.
>>> Sorry if I offend anyone but it is what it is.
>>> For you gurus to understand it completely - leaves you in a world of your 
>>> own, but selling the concept I believe is difficult and will even get more 
>>> difficult. 
>>> Hell I think Java is on the way out along with Sun and Oracle.
>>> 
>>> Apple has always had the proprietary followers and they could put off a 
>>> brilliant app for web development should they choose.  In addition their 
>>> market share is now large enough to support the idea.  
>>> 
>>> my two cents
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, André Mitra wrote:
>>> 
>>>> except Mathematica :)
>>>> 
>>>> On 2010-09-10, at 9:26 AM, Amiel Montecillo wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Mike is scary somtimes .... ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 
>>>>> tool that does everything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Amiel
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Mike Schrag <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots 
>>>>> of variables -- what technology makes sense? what technology doesn't make 
>>>>> sense? what is the expertise of our current staffing? what are the goals 
>>>>> for the project? etc ... I love WO, but I'm also the first to admit that 
>>>>> WO and EOF aren't the right fit for every problem. There are parts of WOF 
>>>>> and EOF that drive me crazy, and there are parts that are amazing. I also 
>>>>> don't think that being WO inherently makes you scalable any more than I 
>>>>> think being a Rails app makes you inherently unscalable. It's just like 
>>>>> the NoSQL vs Relational debate. Are relational databases dead? No. That's 
>>>>> just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place? Absolutely -- they bring 
>>>>> value to a certain set of problems that relational doesn't address well. 
>>>>> Likewise, Apple has public web properties that are static html, php, 
>>>>> struts, jsf, jsp, sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others and there 
>>>>> are lots of different reasons in each of those cases why decisions were 
>>>>> made one way or another. In any complex system, you're probably going to 
>>>>> end up with a mix of technologies. As far as "details," you're just not 
>>>>> going to get them because Apple doesn't roll that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ms
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is 
>>>>> > develop with JSF instead of WebObjects.
>>>>> > Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> >
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