Yes, we need another book from you! On 2010-09-10, at 7:51 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> Or we could just find someplace dark to hide and wait for it all to end. In > the meantime, I have a lot of work to do... > > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> And we will try to help out the community even more. I have a couple of >> ideas about that... >> >>> In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep >>> making apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around. >>> >>> ms >>> >>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote: >>> >>>> From the outside looking in: >>>> >>>> It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list. As good as it >>>> may be I don't suspect in can survive in the future. >>>> Apple has elected to leave web development to the open-source. I would >>>> suspect they only possible way Apple can compete in the >>>> Enterprise market is to make it proprietary and in ObjC. Short of that >>>> you have too many people working for free on Rails, Grails and all >>>> the open-source programs. >>>> There is no way to get enough new users to come aboard as WO now has poor >>>> documentation and terrible tutorials. >>>> Sorry if I offend anyone but it is what it is. >>>> For you gurus to understand it completely - leaves you in a world of your >>>> own, but selling the concept I believe is difficult and will even get more >>>> difficult. >>>> Hell I think Java is on the way out along with Sun and Oracle. >>>> >>>> Apple has always had the proprietary followers and they could put off a >>>> brilliant app for web development should they choose. In addition their >>>> market share is now large enough to support the idea. >>>> >>>> my two cents >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:02 PM, André Mitra wrote: >>>> >>>>> except Mathematica :) >>>>> >>>>> On 2010-09-10, at 9:26 AM, Amiel Montecillo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mike is scary somtimes .... ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 >>>>>> tool that does everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Amiel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Mike Schrag <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots >>>>>> of variables -- what technology makes sense? what technology doesn't >>>>>> make sense? what is the expertise of our current staffing? what are the >>>>>> goals for the project? etc ... I love WO, but I'm also the first to >>>>>> admit that WO and EOF aren't the right fit for every problem. There are >>>>>> parts of WOF and EOF that drive me crazy, and there are parts that are >>>>>> amazing. I also don't think that being WO inherently makes you scalable >>>>>> any more than I think being a Rails app makes you inherently unscalable. >>>>>> It's just like the NoSQL vs Relational debate. Are relational databases >>>>>> dead? No. That's just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place? >>>>>> Absolutely -- they bring value to a certain set of problems that >>>>>> relational doesn't address well. Likewise, Apple has public web >>>>>> properties that are static html, php, struts, jsf, jsp, sproutcore, >>>>>> webobjects, and I'm sure others and there are lots of different reasons >>>>>> in each of those cases why decisions were made one way or another. In >>>>>> any complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix of >>>>>> technologies. As far as "details," you're just not going to get them >>>>>> because Apple doesn't roll that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> ms >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is >>>>>>> develop with JSF instead of WebObjects. >>>>>>> Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stéphan _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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