On 17 Nov 2010, at 09:40, Mike Schrag wrote: > It was for dramatic literary effect ...
That's the way I took it to agree with. But as always your sayings are thought provoking. Just thought I'd up the provocation. (Isn't that silly provo-k-ing, provo-c-ation.) I only have two problems with WO. The first biggy - no jobs around here in it (could be the old problem of lack of introductory materials) (my) suck ratio: high. And second, the Java lock in. Would be nice to interface to other languages Objective-C, Eiffel (my) suck ratio: medium. Oh well. Ian > Obviously every technology has things that are cool and things that are > terrible. However, I have to say that I'm pretty disappointed that, after 13 > years, there isn't a clear choice of a technology to switch to from WO. For > all of its pitfalls, I think WO has a really good balance of engineering > decisions, and the length of its survival is a testament to that. Given that > there has really been almost no external development of WO in years, you'd > think that I could name a single technology that is an obvious choice to move > to that has comparable trade-offs, but I have yet to see one that excites me > in the same way. The problem is that you can't just make a suck ratio, > because everyone has different values for suck coefficients. You could > probably make a suck linear combination, though. > > ms > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: > >> Now that I think of it, I'm not so sure I do agree that every technology >> sucks. I certainly can appreciate well-designed elegant technologies that >> solve a problem well. That's part of the excitement with this profession. If >> everything just sucked most of us wouldn't be in it, well maybe those who >> are just in it for the money, and perhaps they dominate the industry anyway, >> which sucks and why there might be a high suck factor in technologies that >> actually are used. And if all these technologies just sucked there would be >> no use for them and end users would reject them. The uses that we can put >> computers to are cool actually! >> >> Most computing systems are multifaceted, so there may be elements that are >> elegant and parts that suck. What we need is a measure of elegance to suck >> ratio. >> >> Ian >> >> PS I went through messages back to 2005, but couldn't find the first >> reference to REST. Mail find picks up all words like restart, restrict, etc. >> ERRest seems to be first mentioned Nov 2007, but I know we were talking >> about REST before that - I first read Fielding's thesis sometime that year. >> >> On 16 Nov 2010, at 12:33, Ian Joyner wrote: >> >>> On 16 Nov 2010, at 12:23, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> >>>> On Nov 15, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The moral of the story is that every technology sucks, so you might as >>>>> well just build it fast so it can suck in production faster and you can >>>>> move on with your life. >>>> >>>> I hate it when he is right. >>> >>> Don't think I hate it, but I think we all agree anyway. We should choose >>> the path of least pain. >>> >>> By the way I did write up my understanding of REST lately: >>> >>> http://www.ianjoyner.name/Ian_Joyner/REST.html >>> >>> I hope this might be useful, or if any errors let me know. >>> >>> By the way, I think it was Chuck who was the first person I ever heard use >>> the term REST. >>> >>> Ian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ianjoyner%40me.com >>> >>> This email sent to ianjoy...@me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mschrag%40pobox.com >> >> This email sent to msch...@pobox.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
