Le 2010-11-16 à 20:55, Chuck Hill a écrit : > On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: >> On 17 Nov 2010, at 11:43, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Ian Joyner wrote: >>>> >>>> One student in his experience report mentioned that professional >>>> programmers should spend extra time on making their stuff usable and >>>> easily installable if they are going to expect people to use their >>>> systems. Salient advice all around and I think he scored 100%. >>> >>> I think an important distinction here is between "expect people to use >>> their systems" and "allow people to use their systems". Wonder largely >>> falls in the second category. "I made this because I found it interesting >>> and you can use it if you want." Neither WO nor Wonder are now marketed >>> products and there is little incentive to make them appear like they are. >> >> Well I meant expect more in the sense of (cmd-ctrl-d) "regarding something >> as likely to happen" and from the Thesaurus in the anticipate sense, not the >> require or insist on sense. > > I understood what you meant. But it seems to me that most of what is in > Wonder was really added from a perspective of "you can use this if you want, > if you don't then I don't care". Which explains the lack of documentation > and tutorials. People are willing to share, but they don't have the time and > resources to go out of their way to make it easy for you. "If you want to > know, read the code." A major reason for this is that most contributions > come from a single person's efforts (meaning someone working alone). > Everyone like to complain about documentation, but no one likes to write it. > > >> People use Rails, Django, and Pylons because they think they're cool. Don't >> know how to get that cool factor into WO. But removing each hurdle would >> help. Perhaps development on different platforms would help - if we wanted >> to teach WO, we couldn't because that would require students to go out and >> buy Macs (something we subtly encourage but don't 'expect'). > > > I suspect that most people using WO don't care about the cool factor so they > don't spend a lot of time trying to push it. Most of us have been around > long enough to know to disbelieve stories of Technology X being a Silver > Bullet. It seems to me that the driving forces behind technologies like > Rails, Django, and Pylons tend to be younger or more idealistic (or is that > fanatical?). I just don't have the energy for that. I don't know what the > answer is. Maybe we are all too busy and too tired to go out and evangelize > beyond adding to Wonder and presenting at WOWODC.
And maybe because it's only a very small group of people who try to do some marketing. Counting the time I took to cleanup the wiki, WOWODC organization, WOWODC presentations, wocommunity.org, mailing lists, etc., I have spent more than 250 hours this year on community stuff. And I'm starting to think that those 250 hours were wasted... -- Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca AIM/iChat : MacTICanada LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/macti Twitter : pascal_robert _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
