Hi Andrew. What exactly was the scale/size of your MySQL database that caused it to fall over? Row count? (Row count x field count) max?
Regards, Kieran. (Sent from my iPhone) On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Satori <d...@druware.com> wrote: > To a degree, but if you have committed to the MySQL way to get past it's core > weaknesses, you have also made transitioning to anything else very very hard. > In the case of Facebook, they have hit the wall where the front end is still > scaling, but the backend is not. It is so wedded to it's MySQL roots though, > they are not in a position to replace the backend with something that scales > well. > > OpenBase, FrontBase, and to a lesser degree, PostgreSQL limit how much of > this trap by implementing a greater subset of 'common' functionality. That > comes at the cost of some friendly behaviors towards web development though. > > On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Travis Britt wrote: > >> FWIW, once you reach that level scaling on *anything* is hard. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:02 AM, d...@druware.com wrote: >> >>> Well, the issue I have in general is that the market seems to have adopted >>> a MySQL or commercial mindset. MySQL is, to put it mildly, a trap. >>> Skipping over the license issues, and going straight to the real stuff, >>> MySQL has been shown repeatedly to have very real and finite limits on >>> growth and scalability. Google, twitter, facebook, etc have all built >>> foundations on MySQL only to hit walls, and implement obscenely expensive >>> workarounds. >>> >>> The problem is that the alternatives do not cater to the web dev platform, >>> and they lose in the "startup" phases despite long term advantages. LAMP >>> has become a liability. Too many people assume with knowing, and it is >>> killing techs like WO. >>> >>> It gets worse when you mix in python and coredata/sqllite. Ever used >>> apple's teams wiki server. Uggh, what a mess. It will come full circle. I >>> still have a coup,e WO projects but most of my new work is objective c or >>> c++ cgi implementation. It is fast, scalable, portable, and I do not have >>> to deal with 10 layers of stack to make things work. >>> >>> I love WO, I hate the scripting environments, and .net is an equal disaster >>> to LAMP. Basically, the web toolkits have gotten worse, not better. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Sent from my HP TouchPad >>> On Jul 25, 2011 11:51 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@global-village.net> wrote: >>> FrontBase is pretty quiet these days too, though the dev list does see some >>> traffic and there are new releases. Marketing a proprietary SQL database >>> these days is swimming upstream, you can't expect wide success. FrontBase >>> fills a niche market, of which WO is probably less and less every year. As >>> long as their goal is to target their niche (and they do so well), they >>> will keep going. Neither FrontBase or OpenBase are ever going to replace >>> MySQL. >>> >>> >>> On 2011-07-25, at 8:45 PM, Tim Worman wrote: >>> >>>> Now that right there IS funny. But if no one were on the list to see that >>>> and laugh, then I'd have to develop in something other than WO. :-) >>>> >>>> Tim Worman >>>> UCLA GSE&IS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:36 PM, John Huss wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know what I would do if I was using some proprietary technology >>>>> that hadn't been updated in years, with almost no communication from the >>>>> company in charge of it! What is that like? ;-) >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Tim Worman <li...@thetimmy.com> wrote: >>>>> Openbase has been a great product from day one. And integrating it with >>>>> WO definitely is seamless. I'm a fan. But the developer list has fallen >>>>> completely silent and it used to be vibrant. The product hasn't had any >>>>> public updates since 2009 - I don't think it is because there is nothing >>>>> to do. >>>>> >>>>> I'm in no hurry at all to move my server but I do have to develop against >>>>> something and that can't be Openbase if I'm running Lion. The tweet >>>>> indicating that a beta has been "released" is one of only two from the >>>>> company since Feb 2010. >>>>> >>>>> Tim Worman >>>>> UCLA GSE&IS >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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