Rule #1 of not being Google, Twitter, or Facebook: You're not Google, Twitter, or Facebook. Rule #2: you never will be. Embrace your newfound freedom and use whatever database you want.
ms On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:14 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > Hi Andrew. > > What exactly was the scale/size of your MySQL database that caused it to fall > over? Row count? (Row count x field count) max? > > Regards, Kieran. > (Sent from my iPhone) > > > On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Satori <d...@druware.com> wrote: > >> To a degree, but if you have committed to the MySQL way to get past it's >> core weaknesses, you have also made transitioning to anything else very very >> hard. In the case of Facebook, they have hit the wall where the front end >> is still scaling, but the backend is not. It is so wedded to it's MySQL >> roots though, they are not in a position to replace the backend with >> something that scales well. >> >> OpenBase, FrontBase, and to a lesser degree, PostgreSQL limit how much of >> this trap by implementing a greater subset of 'common' functionality. That >> comes at the cost of some friendly behaviors towards web development though. >> >> On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Travis Britt wrote: >> >>> FWIW, once you reach that level scaling on *anything* is hard. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:02 AM, d...@druware.com wrote: >>> >>>> Well, the issue I have in general is that the market seems to have >>>> adopted a MySQL or commercial mindset. MySQL is, to put it mildly, a >>>> trap. Skipping over the license issues, and going straight to the real >>>> stuff, MySQL has been shown repeatedly to have very real and finite limits >>>> on growth and scalability. Google, twitter, facebook, etc have all built >>>> foundations on MySQL only to hit walls, and implement obscenely expensive >>>> workarounds. >>>> >>>> The problem is that the alternatives do not cater to the web dev platform, >>>> and they lose in the "startup" phases despite long term advantages. LAMP >>>> has become a liability. Too many people assume with knowing, and it is >>>> killing techs like WO. >>>> >>>> It gets worse when you mix in python and coredata/sqllite. Ever used >>>> apple's teams wiki server. Uggh, what a mess. It will come full circle. >>>> I still have a coup,e WO projects but most of my new work is objective c >>>> or c++ cgi implementation. It is fast, scalable, portable, and I do not >>>> have to deal with 10 layers of stack to make things work. >>>> >>>> I love WO, I hate the scripting environments, and .net is an equal >>>> disaster to LAMP. Basically, the web toolkits have gotten worse, not >>>> better. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Sent from my HP TouchPad >>>> On Jul 25, 2011 11:51 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@global-village.net> wrote: >>>> FrontBase is pretty quiet these days too, though the dev list does see >>>> some traffic and there are new releases. Marketing a proprietary SQL >>>> database these days is swimming upstream, you can't expect wide success. >>>> FrontBase fills a niche market, of which WO is probably less and less >>>> every year. As long as their goal is to target their niche (and they do so >>>> well), they will keep going. Neither FrontBase or OpenBase are ever going >>>> to replace MySQL. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2011-07-25, at 8:45 PM, Tim Worman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Now that right there IS funny. But if no one were on the list to see that >>>>> and laugh, then I'd have to develop in something other than WO. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Tim Worman >>>>> UCLA GSE&IS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:36 PM, John Huss wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't know what I would do if I was using some proprietary technology >>>>>> that hadn't been updated in years, with almost no communication from the >>>>>> company in charge of it! What is that like? ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Tim Worman <li...@thetimmy.com> wrote: >>>>>> Openbase has been a great product from day one. And integrating it with >>>>>> WO definitely is seamless. I'm a fan. But the developer list has fallen >>>>>> completely silent and it used to be vibrant. The product hasn't had any >>>>>> public updates since 2009 - I don't think it is because there is nothing >>>>>> to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm in no hurry at all to move my server but I do have to develop >>>>>> against something and that can't be Openbase if I'm running Lion. The >>>>>> tweet indicating that a beta has been "released" is one of only two from >>>>>> the company since Feb 2010. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Worman >>>>>> UCLA GSE&IS >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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