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The WO App we began developing in the late 90s is still in service and simply does't break.... I know how I prefer to spend my money...... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992-6666 FAX 909 Regal Boulevard [email protected] Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote: > > You know, I still get far and away the best results using WO. > > I’ve been using Mongo and Node and it’s fine…I guess…if you want javascript > running your server. > > People say you can do all these cool things, but it seems to me that mongo > stores arbitrary stuff that get you into trouble down the road — frankly, > rows and columns still make sense to me. > > Node? Fine, I guess it’s easy to setup and learn and run— it sure is > lightweight! but then you end up with javascript people who hack things, and > again, over time it does’t feel that much better to me. > > NoSql? seems to be a relational database underneath anyway, so it’s fine I > guess — but was it something I was needing? > > so, pick your poisons I guess. > > WO is dead, long live WO. > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:50 AM, James Cicenia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yep. WO is dead. >> >> I was thinking of starting learning Ruby. I love Objective-C and iPhone >> development. And now was thinking about Node or Ruby for the back end. >> Thoughts? >> >> This also has been the finest list I have ever had the joy of participating. >> Everyone has helped, educated and scolded me to create some great >> applications. And so I ask the list. >> >> What will be in your wallet without WO? >> >> >> PS: I also want to thank Chuck, Pascal and Ramsey specifically who helped >> make my WO Apps and D2W Rock! And of course everyone else including the >> always wonderfully cranky Anjo. >> >> Cheers >> James >> >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Daniel Mejia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I would like to share my experience with WO. >>> >>> We have developed many systems with WO, some of them was for a big >>> telephone company here in Mexico. After some changes in the IT department >>> in this company they decided to change all the system developed with WO. >>> They call HP, MS and many other companies to get a proposal for the change >>> of this systems, after many meetings with these people they decided to >>> leave the system because the cost and time of development was out of they >>> budget (we have developed that systems in a very short time and the cost >>> was small compared with the other companies because all the facilities of >>> WO). The system survived some time but finally the get the money and >>> changed the systems. >>> >>> For a long time I was afraid to leave the WO dev tools. I have developed >>> many applications and I can’t find any thing close to this tools. But for >>> customers decision we need to look for new tools and luckily we have found >>> tools that let us forget of the awesome of WO. >>> >>> We have developed with Entity Framework, XAML and C#, VisualStudio, not >>> perfect but for many systems has everything that you need. >>> >>> Other tool that we have used for a small (tiny) projects is Groovy on >>> Grails. Fast, easy to learn, develop and deploy. >>> >>> Now we are very excited using the new JavaScript tools like SproutCore, >>> Ember, nodeJS, MongoDB, etc.. The things that you can achieve with this >>> tools are amazing. Most of the people behind SproutCore and Ember have >>> worked for Apple. >>> >>> Before we found this platforms we lost projects because the lack of enough >>> developers to support the WO systems and the stories in Internet that said >>> WO is dead (We know is not dead but is very hard to convince the other >>> people). >>> >>> I'm still using WO for internal and personal projects, but now I’m >>> migrating everything to the JavaScript world. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Daniel. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:34, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> From: Markus Ruggiero <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: WebObjects-Projects? >>>> Date: March 7, 2014 at 4:34:50 CST >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05.03.2014, at 12:37, Jürgen Simon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> this is not a technical inquiry, more a temperature check on the business >>>>> side of WebObjects. It is my impression that at least in Germany, after >>>>> the 2008/2009 crisis the market for WebObjects-projects has really been >>>>> down a lot. I have been looking hi and lo for opportunities to work with >>>>> WO again, but apart from self-initiated projects there was nothing going >>>>> on. >>>>> >>>>> Is this perception limited to Germany or is it even just me? Are there >>>>> any project marketplaces for WO that I am not aware of? How much of a >>>>> future would you guys think WO really has? >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> Jürgen >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> A (sad) success story: >>>> >>>> I have an existing customer (large world-wide operating corporation) with >>>> some very old WO apps which I maintain. They also have a small app based >>>> on D2W with the old neutral look. This app has been created by some JEE >>>> folks who had no clue about WO. The app primarily generates product >>>> related PDF files from text-snippets stored and maintained in the >>>> database. Maintenance of the data is done by the D2W application. The JEE >>>> folks were not able to properly use WO and had big performance problems >>>> with PDF generation. So they build a library where they access the >>>> database with raw JDBC calls (!!) and have an instance of the app running >>>> on a dedicated PC somewhere in a corner so to not block the interactive >>>> parts. I have since taken over this application and first of all thrown >>>> out everything JDBC related. Redesigned the database structure (they had >>>> most of the logic in the data instead of in the databse structure), >>>> implemented proper management of the product related spec sheets, and re- >>>> >>>> Unfortunately corporate IT wants to take over the project and kill it (it >>>> doesn't fit in with their strategy), customer is furious but the decisions >>>> are made elsewhere. We'll see. >>>> >>>> Another success story: >>>> >>>> I am a part time teacher and have tried to cover the module "object >>>> oriented development of multiuser database applications" using Wonder. >>>> Fortunately the school has given me quite some slack. One of my students >>>> from last year (I am currently teaching this module the 3rd time) has >>>> introduced Wonder to his employer and could setup a new project! As far as >>>> I know both my former student and his boss are happy. YEAH! >>>> >>>> It's difficult finding WO work. Wherever Java is wanted >>>> JEE/Hibernate/Spring/JSF/younameit is asked for, or then its dot-net. No >>>> way to do anything with WO. I was able to be introduced privately to an >>>> older rather rich person who has a lot of his money stuffed away in real >>>> estate. For him I could develop a finance tracking application for his >>>> investments so that his daughter will be able to maintain the finances >>>> once he is gone (which I hope will not be so soon....). That's a modern >>>> look ERD2W application hosted by my company. Customer is happy so far and >>>> plans for more. >>>> >>>> But I agree, it is very difficult finding WO work. It's not the tools, >>>> it's not WO, it's probably not even the closed-source thing, it's just the >>>> buzzwords that are completely missing. Nobody in the Java world is even >>>> considering something other than JEE and friends because "that's the >>>> standard". >>>> >>>> Sad but true. >>>> >>>> ---markus--- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Markus Ruggiero >>>> [email protected] >>>> Check out the new book about Project Wonder and WebObjects on >>>> http://learningthewonders.com/ >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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