Le 2014-03-18 à 12:08, Altera WO Team <[email protected]> a écrit :
> I can quote every single line of Maik's email. > > We have a lot of happy clients with running WO apps and we use WO all the > time. The problem of finding good new developers is the same, we need good > developers and that is hard, a good developer can be easily turned into a > good WO developer. A bad developer is never going to "get" the beauty of WO... Yes! Good developer will write nice, elegant, optimal, readable and clean code ... even in PHP (but they will hate it) ... they will learn WO and love it! Bad developer will write messy (spaghetti) code ... even in java+WebObjects (and his team will hate him) ... they will learn WO and never understand / get it. The problem is not in finding webobjects developer, but simply finding « good » developer! jfv > On 07 Mar 2014, at 17:36, Musall Maik <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> we have dozens of active WO-based projects running for happy customers. Our >> company has been doing WO since the early beginnings, and we still use it >> all the time for new projects if it fits the needs. Which it most often >> does, usually accompanied by some Javascript frameworks. >> >> Like a lot of you, we regularly inherit new projects from other firms that >> tried to do it in some fashion way and failed, leaving us in the situation >> to do it from scratch with a small initial budget and no time. And usually >> we succeed, using WO. >> >> Am 07.03.2014 um 16:50 schrieb James Cicenia <[email protected]>: >> >>> Yep. WO is dead. >>> >>> I was thinking of starting learning Ruby. I love Objective-C and iPhone >>> development. And now was thinking about Node or Ruby for the back end. >>> Thoughts? >> >> And we also have projects that are far too complex to be done in node.js or >> Ruby. Ruby is a performance nightmare and hasn’t a good security record >> either. Twitter moved away from Ruby to JVM (though not Java) for >> performance reasons years ago. The WO app I’m working on most of the time >> has ongoing full time development since 2007, now at 780,000 lines of Java >> code and counting, and has a complexity in it’s business logic that I cannot >> imagine being done in a dynamic, less strictly typed language. I couldn’t >> refactor anything really, and it would all be a big pile of technical dept >> by now. >> >> node.js is nice for javascript hipsters that don’t want to bother learning >> another language for the backend. >> >> The biggest problem for us is to find good new developers, even though I >> don’t care whether they ever heard of WO or not. I joined Selbstdenker AG in >> 2008, wasn’t really into Java until then (but other OO languages), even >> didn’t any web development, and picked up stuff within weeks. I think every >> experienced dev can get into this quickly if he has colleagues to help >> him/her up to speed. >> >> Yes, WO has shortcomings and smells funny, but it’s not dead yet. It’s an >> old cold-blooded, shabby workhorse we are riding, but all the foals and >> pretty racehorses often just aren’t up to the task. We’re keeping our eyes >> open for more modern alternatives, but aren’t jumping right onto the next >> framework being hyped on twitter that could be obsolete again soon. >> >> Maik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40altera.it >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jean_francois_veillette%40yahoo.ca > > This email sent to [email protected]
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