One could argue a lot of good developers are never going to “get” the beauty of WO either.
http://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/why-learning-haskell-python-makes-you-a-worse-programmer/ Both of these are strongly typed. Which do you prefer, Haskell: add x y = x + y or Java: public int add(int x, int y) { return x + y; } public short add(short x, short y) { return x + y;} public float add(float x, float y) { return x+ y; } public double ... … and so on with every possible combination you can think of. Even that’s being charitable, since Integer x/y would require null checking/exception handling. On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Altera WO Team <[email protected]> wrote: > I can quote every single line of Maik's email. > > We have a lot of happy clients with running WO apps and we use WO all the > time. The problem of finding good new developers is the same, we need good > developers and that is hard, a good developer can be easily turned into a > good WO developer. A bad developer is never going to "get" the beauty of WO... > > > Matteo > > On 07 Mar 2014, at 17:36, Musall Maik <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> we have dozens of active WO-based projects running for happy customers. Our >> company has been doing WO since the early beginnings, and we still use it >> all the time for new projects if it fits the needs. Which it most often >> does, usually accompanied by some Javascript frameworks. >> >> Like a lot of you, we regularly inherit new projects from other firms that >> tried to do it in some fashion way and failed, leaving us in the situation >> to do it from scratch with a small initial budget and no time. And usually >> we succeed, using WO. >> >> Am 07.03.2014 um 16:50 schrieb James Cicenia <[email protected]>: >> >>> Yep. WO is dead. >>> >>> I was thinking of starting learning Ruby. I love Objective-C and iPhone >>> development. And now was thinking about Node or Ruby for the back end. >>> Thoughts? >> >> And we also have projects that are far too complex to be done in node.js or >> Ruby. Ruby is a performance nightmare and hasn’t a good security record >> either. Twitter moved away from Ruby to JVM (though not Java) for >> performance reasons years ago. The WO app I’m working on most of the time >> has ongoing full time development since 2007, now at 780,000 lines of Java >> code and counting, and has a complexity in it’s business logic that I cannot >> imagine being done in a dynamic, less strictly typed language. I couldn’t >> refactor anything really, and it would all be a big pile of technical dept >> by now. >> >> node.js is nice for javascript hipsters that don’t want to bother learning >> another language for the backend. >> >> The biggest problem for us is to find good new developers, even though I >> don’t care whether they ever heard of WO or not. I joined Selbstdenker AG in >> 2008, wasn’t really into Java until then (but other OO languages), even >> didn’t any web development, and picked up stuff within weeks. I think every >> experienced dev can get into this quickly if he has colleagues to help >> him/her up to speed. >> >> Yes, WO has shortcomings and smells funny, but it’s not dead yet. It’s an >> old cold-blooded, shabby workhorse we are riding, but all the foals and >> pretty racehorses often just aren’t up to the task. We’re keeping our eyes >> open for more modern alternatives, but aren’t jumping right onto the next >> framework being hyped on twitter that could be obsolete again soon. >> >> Maik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects%40altera.it >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com > > This email sent to [email protected]
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