On May 4, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Hugi Thordarson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If you think about it, one of the reasons they are bringing Swift to Linux >> is because they want a cool language on the server as well as on the client >> and leverage the code and libraries on both. >> >> At some point these developers need an ORM framework. Either Apple or >> someone else will do it in pure Swift without requiring the Objective-C >> run-time. Possibly a future Core Data. Then they'll need a templating >> request handling framework like WebObjects for Swift. And a REST framework. >> Let's bug Federighi with emails about bringing this back. :-) > > Federighi probably cares a lot about WO/EOF since he spent years > reimplementing it at Ariba ( http://aribaweb.org/ ). But I doubt he has the > time or support to do anything about WO within Apple. It’s a market Apple > simply isn’t in. > I remembered Ariba and the time he spent there too and it's part of why I was wondering if he had any love left for WebObjects. :-) Also I can't imagine working on the server side without something like EOF/WebObjects. >> Anyways, putting all this day dreaming aside I think we need a clean room >> implementation of EOF as it had been described before. I have worked at al >> levels in EOF and I feel this would be possible until I realize that I am >> married with four kids and a full time job that leaves me with no spare time >> left to work on things like this. :-) >> >> Was the idea of a clean room implementation of EOF abandoned? > > We already have a clean room reimplementation of EOF—it’s called Cayenne and > I’m now using it in all of our projects. We just need to figure out what to > do with the presentation layer (WO). > I think that is great for new projects. I was thinking of something API compatible with EOF for those of us who have built large systems with WO/EOF to make the transition less traumatic. :-) > - hugi > > >> >> >>> On May 4, 2016, at 4:48 AM, Hugi Thordarson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Probably no one as surprised as myself. I probably sent dozens of e-mails >>> to sjobs on the subject trough the years without receiving a reply. But to >>> Tim’s credit, it only took four emails before I was contacted. He’s a lot >>> less stubborn, obviously. >>> >>> And we Viking are a misunderstood, peaceful people. Apart from sending >>> angry emails to corporate executives, these days we mostly conduct our >>> coastal raids through Panamian law firms using money stored in offshore >>> companies. It’s so much easier than eating psychoactive mushrooms and >>> running around raping and pillaging. >>> >>> - hugi >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 3. maí 2016, at 23:22, Chuck Hill <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> The Viking Tradition lives on! >>>> >>>> >>>> From: David LeBer <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:20 PM >>>> To: Chuck Hill <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: WebObjects-Dev <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple >>>> >>>> Yeah, I was surprised by that too. >>>> >>>> Apple rarely gives definitive statements on anything, let alone a long >>>> dead and forgotten product ;) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> D >>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2016 at 7:11:05 PM, Chuck Hill ([email protected]) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am surprised that Hugi got a clear statement from Apple. That must have >>>>> taken some persistence! “Frank, this damn Hugi guy keeps bugging us every >>>>> year, get rid of him!” >>>>> >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-05-03, 4:04 PM, >>>>>> "[email protected] on behalf of >>>>>> Pascal Robert" >>>>>> <[email protected] on behalf of >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 3 mai 2016 à 12:47, Flavio Donadio <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hugi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That’s bad news, but it’s exactly what we expected, in a certain way. >>>>>>> The silence and lack of updates for such a long time were telling us >>>>>>> the truth, although we wouldn’t accept it — there had to be a final >>>>>>> word, straight from the horse’s mouth! I guess we have it now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, they say WO is dead. We say “long live, WO!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We should move on to the next step: nagging Apple to release WO/EOF as >>>>>>> open source software! ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> This topic comes around every year. Multiple people asked this to Apple >>>>>> over the last 7 years. It won’t happen. Final. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Flavio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/05/2016, at 12:19, Hugi Thordarson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We probably all know that WO's been practically dead to Apple for a >>>>>>>> long time, but unfortunately Apple has refused to state so officially >>>>>>>> (at least I don't recall there being an official statement). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyhow… In the past years I've regularly sent letters to Tim Cook, >>>>>>>> asking about the state of WO (being the naggy guy I am) and recently, >>>>>>>> I was contacted by Apple executive relations regarding my questions. >>>>>>>> The guy I spoke to called a couple of times, at first, he had >>>>>>>> absolutely no idea what WO was but the second time he called, he had >>>>>>>> obtained information and had a clear statement: "WebObjects is a >>>>>>>> discontinued product and will never be upgraded". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know this information is extremely redundant, but I still wanted to >>>>>>>> tell you since it was something of a relief. Felt a little like the >>>>>>>> police calling you to let you know that they'd found the remains of >>>>>>>> your friend that's been missing for 15 years and finally declared him >>>>>>>> dead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But of course, this changes nothing; WO is still better than ever. We >>>>>>>> just need to continue to distance Wonder from WO and move forward. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> - hugi >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/flavio%40donadio.com.br >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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