>>> If you think about it, one of the reasons they are bringing Swift to Linux >>> is because they want a cool language on the server as well as on the client >>> and leverage the code and libraries on both. >>> >>> At some point these developers need an ORM framework. Either Apple or >>> someone else will do it in pure Swift without requiring the Objective-C >>> run-time. Possibly a future Core Data. Then they'll need a templating >>> request handling framework like WebObjects for Swift. And a REST framework. >>> Let's bug Federighi with emails about bringing this back. :-) >> >> Federighi probably cares a lot about WO/EOF since he spent years >> reimplementing it at Ariba ( http://aribaweb.org/ ). But I doubt he has the >> time or support to do anything about WO within Apple. It’s a market Apple >> simply isn’t in. >> > > I remembered Ariba and the time he spent there too and it's part of why I was > wondering if he had any love left for WebObjects. :-) > > Also I can't imagine working on the server side without something like > EOF/WebObjects.
Yeah… I’ve made more than quite a few attempts at using them #different technologies" and I’m now quite sure that I’d rather spend my time re-implementing something WebObjects-like than spend time using bad tech. I don’t really love programming (okay, maybe I do, but for the sake of argument, let’s say I don’t :). I just love creating stuff people want to use and WO really enables that. >>> until I realize that I am married with four kids and a full time job that >>> leaves me with no spare time left to work on things like this. :-) I can relate :) >> We already have a clean room reimplementation of EOF—it’s called Cayenne and >> I’m now using it in all of our projects. We just need to figure out what to >> do with the presentation layer (WO). >> > > I think that is great for new projects. I was thinking of something API > compatible with EOF for those of us who have built large systems with WO/EOF > to make the transition less traumatic. :-) The transition from EOF to Cayenne is actually not very traumatic. If you use WO-looking templates to generate entity classes, the rest of the API looks really, really similar. In most cases, it’s really only a question of changing class names. Cheers, - hugi > >> - hugi >> >> >>> >>> >>>> On May 4, 2016, at 4:48 AM, Hugi Thordarson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Probably no one as surprised as myself. I probably sent dozens of e-mails >>>> to sjobs on the subject trough the years without receiving a reply. But to >>>> Tim’s credit, it only took four emails before I was contacted. He’s a lot >>>> less stubborn, obviously. >>>> >>>> And we Viking are a misunderstood, peaceful people. Apart from sending >>>> angry emails to corporate executives, these days we mostly conduct our >>>> coastal raids through Panamian law firms using money stored in offshore >>>> companies. It’s so much easier than eating psychoactive mushrooms and >>>> running around raping and pillaging. >>>> >>>> - hugi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3. maí 2016, at 23:22, Chuck Hill <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Viking Tradition lives on! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: David LeBer <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:20 PM >>>>> To: Chuck Hill <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: WebObjects-Dev <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, I was surprised by that too. >>>>> >>>>> Apple rarely gives definitive statements on anything, let alone a long >>>>> dead and forgotten product ;) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> D >>>>> >>>>>> On May 3, 2016 at 7:11:05 PM, Chuck Hill ([email protected]) wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am surprised that Hugi got a clear statement from Apple. That must >>>>>> have taken some persistence! “Frank, this damn Hugi guy keeps bugging us >>>>>> every year, get rid of him!” >>>>>> >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-05-03, 4:04 PM, >>>>>>> "[email protected] on behalf >>>>>>> of Pascal Robert" >>>>>>> <[email protected] on behalf >>>>>>> of [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 3 mai 2016 à 12:47, Flavio Donadio <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hugi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That’s bad news, but it’s exactly what we expected, in a certain way. >>>>>>>> The silence and lack of updates for such a long time were telling us >>>>>>>> the truth, although we wouldn’t accept it — there had to be a final >>>>>>>> word, straight from the horse’s mouth! I guess we have it now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, they say WO is dead. We say “long live, WO!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We should move on to the next step: nagging Apple to release WO/EOF as >>>>>>>> open source software! ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This topic comes around every year. Multiple people asked this to Apple >>>>>>> over the last 7 years. It won’t happen. Final. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Flavio >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 03/05/2016, at 12:19, Hugi Thordarson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We probably all know that WO's been practically dead to Apple for a >>>>>>>>> long time, but unfortunately Apple has refused to state so officially >>>>>>>>> (at least I don't recall there being an official statement). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyhow… In the past years I've regularly sent letters to Tim Cook, >>>>>>>>> asking about the state of WO (being the naggy guy I am) and recently, >>>>>>>>> I was contacted by Apple executive relations regarding my questions. >>>>>>>>> The guy I spoke to called a couple of times, at first, he had >>>>>>>>> absolutely no idea what WO was but the second time he called, he had >>>>>>>>> obtained information and had a clear statement: "WebObjects is a >>>>>>>>> discontinued product and will never be upgraded". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know this information is extremely redundant, but I still wanted to >>>>>>>>> tell you since it was something of a relief. Felt a little like the >>>>>>>>> police calling you to let you know that they'd found the remains of >>>>>>>>> your friend that's been missing for 15 years and finally declared him >>>>>>>>> dead. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But of course, this changes nothing; WO is still better than ever. We >>>>>>>>> just need to continue to distance Wonder from WO and move forward. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> - hugi >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/flavio%40donadio.com.br >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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