Hugi The state of WO and the WO community is not because of your persistence to get a definitive statement from Apple. It is because there are no BIG organizations that support this community.
This community is stuck in purgatory. We can’t move forward because we may infringe on Apple’s copyrights. We can’t move forward because there are people here using old versions of the system and don’t want to move forward. We can’t move forward because we can’t dedicate enough time to working on the lower levels. We have too many people here that just want to say no. No BIG organization want to use this stuff because it is NOT OPEN SOURCE, it is NOT COOl, it is NOT an active product, it does NOT have an active DEV community, but it is a legal LIABILITY. Without a BIG organization supporting it, there is no money. No startup unicorn will use the framework, because no VC would support it. My $0.02 Paul > On May 12, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote: > > I feel rather bad and somewhat responsible for everything that’s going on > these days. I had no idea that a phonecall from Apple would result in this. > > I'm still using WO actively in numerous old and new projects, and I don’t see > that changing anytime soon. Being an opensource nut I’ve made numerous > attempts at “escaping” WO, but that sweet, sweet statefulness, lovely API, > KVC and WOLips just keeps dragging me back in. > > We need to find a way forward. > > - hugi > > > >> On 12. maí 2016, at 14:14, Michael Kondratov <mich...@aspireauctions.com> >> wrote: >> >> Pascal, >> There are also people like us that use WO for internal projects. I have >> not been able to find any other platform that would warrant a move. It was >> pretty clear to me that Apple discontinued WO good 15 years ago. Is it >> really possible that only 50 people or so in the world that still use >> WebObjects? Is there something that is better? (Or 99.999999..% use inferior >> tools?) >> >> Michael >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 12, 2016, at 6:31 AM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >>> >>> It seems the majority wants to keep the WOCommunity server alive until >>> WOWODC, so let's do that. >>> >>> Now, the reasons of why I wanted to shutdown everything: >>> >>> - The results of the surveys are not positive. Only 57% of respondents use >>> WO for new and current projects, 32% only for maintenance, the rest is >>> moving away or already done so. >>> >>> - Based on this, I expect to lose 10-12 WOWODC guests, so I calculated that >>> we needed 45 guests and made the arrangements based on that number. Sadly, >>> we are only 33 so far, and usually at that timeframe, we only get 4-5 >>> registrations. Hence the 6200$ deficit (now reduced to about 2100$). >>> >>> - Contributions to Wonder is next to nothing for the last year. >>> >>> - I was thinking that having a session about using Cayenne with WO would be >>> a great way to modernize WO, and hence generate interest, and looks like I >>> was wrong, or else we would have more people at WOWODC, not less. >>> >>> - At WOWODC 2014, we asked if people were using the master branch of >>> Wonder, and the vast majority said they are using their own fork. So why >>> should we keep Jenkins if most of you use their own forks? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/michael%40aspireauctions.com >>> >>> This email sent to mich...@aspireauctions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >> >> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com > > This email sent to p...@mac.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
