From memory, most of the developers now are based in Europe. So it might make sense to migrate it there. Do we even need the “association” (non-profit legal entity) now? Or do we just need an on-line shared presence for mutual co-operation?
Chuck On 2016-05-12, 7:44 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Ken Anderson" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >Hugi, > >I don’t think this had anything to do with you. I would not have pushed the >buttons you pushed - but so be it. Me, I prefer to let sleeping dragons… >sleep :) > >Pascal laid out the issues that brought him to his conclusion: > >- Less participation in WOnder >- Less attendance at WOWODC >- The math of 57% for new, and 32% for maintenance, but to me, that means 89% >are still active! I call this good! > >Personally, I don’t think these changes warrant shutting things down - but >clearly Pascal has had enough, and we all need to pick up the flag he has >carried for so long and so well. > >As Pascal has said the last time we were going to shut down, I’m guessing it >would be easier for someone in Canada to take over the association, but if >there’s no takers, I’m happy to help coordinate the migration to a US based >entity. > >Ken > > >> On May 12, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Hugi Thordarson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I feel rather bad and somewhat responsible for everything that’s going on >> these days. I had no idea that a phonecall from Apple would result in this. >> >> I'm still using WO actively in numerous old and new projects, and I don’t >> see that changing anytime soon. Being an opensource nut I’ve made numerous >> attempts at “escaping” WO, but that sweet, sweet statefulness, lovely API, >> KVC and WOLips just keeps dragging me back in. >> >> We need to find a way forward. >> >> - hugi >> >> >> >>> On 12. maí 2016, at 14:14, Michael Kondratov <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Pascal, >>> There are also people like us that use WO for internal projects. I >>> have not been able to find any other platform that would warrant a move. It >>> was pretty clear to me that Apple discontinued WO good 15 years ago. Is it >>> really possible that only 50 people or so in the world that still use >>> WebObjects? Is there something that is better? (Or 99.999999..% use >>> inferior tools?) >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 12, 2016, at 6:31 AM, Pascal Robert <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It seems the majority wants to keep the WOCommunity server alive until >>>> WOWODC, so let's do that. >>>> >>>> Now, the reasons of why I wanted to shutdown everything: >>>> >>>> - The results of the surveys are not positive. Only 57% of respondents use >>>> WO for new and current projects, 32% only for maintenance, the rest is >>>> moving away or already done so. >>>> >>>> - Based on this, I expect to lose 10-12 WOWODC guests, so I calculated >>>> that we needed 45 guests and made the arrangements based on that number. >>>> Sadly, we are only 33 so far, and usually at that timeframe, we only get >>>> 4-5 registrations. Hence the 6200$ deficit (now reduced to about 2100$). >>>> >>>> - Contributions to Wonder is next to nothing for the last year. >>>> >>>> - I was thinking that having a session about using Cayenne with WO would >>>> be a great way to modernize WO, and hence generate interest, and looks >>>> like I was wrong, or else we would have more people at WOWODC, not less. >>>> >>>> - At WOWODC 2014, we asked if people were using the master branch of >>>> Wonder, and the vast majority said they are using their own fork. So why >>>> should we keep Jenkins if most of you use their own forks? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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