Aaron,

> On 2. 6. 2020, at 7:40 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> wrote:
> Generally I don’t have logging coming out about relationships nor the object 
> graph.

Yea, same here; in decades of using WO I've bumped into the model class 
toString madness just a couple of times, neither of them serious.

Nevertheless in my current project I've got an issue collector, which collects 
issues by owner; and it so happens that aside of EOs and other “normal” objects 
(none of which makes any problem) some issues might be owned by entities and/or 
attributes of a model (luckily, so far, not by a model itself; the thing far as 
I recall toStrings its complete contents too. Ick!)

Normally, it still works quite all right, but if there's a problem and I switch 
my logs to trace level or below, I am printing out all the underlying data 
structures, which happen to be sorta complex maps (and weakhashmaps and similar 
beasts), and the model classes do real big harm in there.

> I suppose you’ll have to look at what is generating those logs and have some 
> sort of preprocessor that does something “smart” for the display of your 
> object graph. Maybe a big if/else block for each your relationships or maybe 
> something generic if that’s good enough that has heuristics for display 
> names. 

Yup, I've considered that, but to be forced to implement a complete property 
list recursive printout myself, solving properly all the Iterables and Maps and 
Object[]'s and hell-knows-what just to tame an idio... well, ahem, 
not-too-reasonably implemented toString of three classes seems just a bit at 
the rube-goldbergish side to me :/

Thanks anyway!
OC

>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:36 PM, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev 
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>> wrote:
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>> Paul,
>> 
>>> On 2. 6. 2020, at 2:05 PM, Paul Yu <p...@mac.com <mailto:p...@mac.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> There are two templates _EO and EO.java that are used by eogenerate to 
>>> create your EO classes.  If you open your Eogenerate File you can see where 
>>> your templates are.
>> 
>> Can't recall anything like that from WO. Isn't that some 
>> Eclipse/WOLips-specific thing? I don't use Eclipse anymore; I am yet to see 
>> a worse IDE. Having tested many of them (and having suffered with Eclipse 
>> for some years), eventually I stick with Xcode, which is far from perfect 
>> too and it definitely has a plethora of ugly quirks, but at the very least 
>> it is infinitely better than the Eclipse disaster (and aside of that, I do 
>> all my *OS development in there, and it's quite convenient to use one and 
>> the same IDE for all the work; myself, I found switching IDEs really 
>> inconvenient. As always, your mileage may vary ;))
>> 
>> Besides, well, you got me ranting, but anyway: I do not, not, not use 
>> generated code, in my opinion and experience, that's one very very bad 
>> approach. My EO classes are based on my own superclass which reads in the 
>> model at startup and installs the appropriate accessors dynamically (in a 
>> way quite similar, though of course not identical, to CoreData). And it, 
>> quite naturally, also contains my own overridden toString.
>> 
>> Which all seems to me completely beside the point. From the very beginning, 
>> I am writing of entities/attributes/relationships, not EO classes. I can do 
>> almost whatever I want with the EO classes, but so far, I haven't succeeded 
>> to find any way to affect toStrings of entities/attributes/relationships 
>> (i.e., the EOEntity, EOAttribute and EORelationship class).
>> 
>> Or do I miss something of importance here?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> OC
>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 7:04 AM, OCsite via Webobjects-dev 
>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Markus,
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 12:09, Markus Ruggiero <mailingli...@kataputt.com 
>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@kataputt.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Why not simply override toString() in EOGenerate templates once and for 
>>>>> all?
>>>> 
>>>> What are “EOGenerate templates” and how they affect the 
>>>> entities/attributes/relationships toStrings? I can't find anything like 
>>>> that in my WO documentation. Seems it might be the right solution... if I 
>>>> knew what it is :)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> OC
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 01:52, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev 
>>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> occasionally, I need to put entities/attributes/relationships into 
>>>>>> complex nested property lists. Occasionally for debug, I need to print 
>>>>>> out these property lists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alas, entities/attributes/relationships normally print out their 
>>>>>> complete contents in their toStrings, which makes the logs completely 
>>>>>> unuseable (and when there's more of them in a property list, actually 
>>>>>> bogs down the application so much it must be killed).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Isn't there some trick to make those darned model classes toString 
>>>>>> something reasonable, e.g., just their class, name and hash?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> OC
>>>>>> 
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