On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Laurent Blume wrote:
As I was originating the thread you're evoking, I feel personally
insulted by your "tinafoil hat" remark.
I wanting to let that story die, but it seems you don't, so I'll
remind you of some points.
My perception of the whole incident was not a "rumor". You did tell
me off-list that you were about to take administrative control of
all mailing lists. Shortly therefater (one or two hours), that's
exactly what happened on the ug-fosug list only, for whatever reason.
You referred to the infrastructure management as a "benevolent
autocracy", knowing better as to what is good or not, thus, not
needing to explain the reasons of its actions.
Everything beyond your initial 'isn't this a security problem' about
the wildcards (to which I did agree and did tell you that I had wanted
to remove earlier) which then became a fun-fest of conspiracy theories
and other bizarro suggestions that it was anything more than pure
laziness on the part of those who implemented them.
I'd go down the road of defining the semantics of what we are talking
about when we talk about 'ownership', but I suspect that, too, would
be a waste of time. My interest lies only in the functioning of the
lists, not possession.
(As an aside, the bit with your list was that I was testing the HTML
translation from your original problem report and wanted the errors to
go to me...and I forgot to reconfigure it when I was done. I do
believe my human shield informed you of that. No conspiracy there,
unless fixing broken stuff is black ops.)
And, with regard to the benevolent autocracy, I was quoting my mother
who is dead and has never worked for Sun...and it was "occasionally
benevolent autocracy". She was German, too.
I'm very disappointed that all criticism concerning actions by Sun
employees always end up being dismissed by ssome as "yet another
conspiracy theory", and people making remarks in good faith being
ridiculed in public.
I don't know that suggesting the wildcards being a 'privilege' or some
sort of special treatment of people with sun.com addresses could be
taken as anything but a conspiracy theory. Heartfelt or not, such
ideas are stupid and should be named as such as they seem to keep
coming up and nobody wants to hurt anyone's feelings by telling them
straight.
Not to mention removing those wildcards is still a massive pain in my
backside because people don't want to subscribe, don't want to wait
for moderation, etc. and complain bitterly that the lists are now
broken. You can't have it all and you can't win for trying.
e.
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