On 3/26/06, Thomas Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > then i just give them that back and they can use it to do all the pages
> > (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even doable to have
> > reusable templates IMO)
>
> Shouldn't the web-application framework provide a mechanism for the
> templates? What about the idea to have the "page general look" (e.g. page
> header, navigation) in just *one file* (clean HTML, because designed by the
> designer), where the content is in the other markup files (clean HTML,
> because designed by the designer)?
>

But that is nothing new for wicket. We are providing markup
inheritance already for quite a while.

> --
> Best regards,
> Thomas Singer
>
>
> tcolar schrieb:
> >> The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone
> > good HTML >with proper CSS. Well designer typically use Dreamweaver or
> > such. So if the HTML/CSS is not good, blame that on on Micromedia I
> > usually get the designer to do an "initial template" in DW, and then i
> > "fix it", cleaning the html and CSS, and making the layout "logical",
> > then i just give them that back and they can use it to do all the pages
> > (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even doable to have
> > reusable templates IMO)
> >
> >> This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the
> > average >designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in
> > Photoshop, and let a >technical person build the HTML. Well, we endup
> > having to do that because of JSF, but that is not a good process, besides
> > converting from photoshop to HTML/CSS in a a text editor, is very
> > tedious. My main concern though here is not so much for the initial site
> >  development, but for the ongoing miantenance. The cotent maintenance
> > (text/images/layout) should preferably be possible to do just by
> > marketing/design people without involving developers. for one developers
> > can't speak marketing and vice-versa so it's wasting time, and i think
> > it's waste of resources having developers do this. But fact is with JSF,
> > develoers have to be called for even the most basic content layout
> > changes since the designer just can't work with that JSP mess.
> >
> >> The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;)
> > true :-) , it is was up to me .....
> >
> > Timo Stamm wrote:
> >
> >> tcolar schrieb:
> >>
> >>> That one kills me:
> >>>
> >>>> Patrick (WebWork): "I've found that "HTML/CSS developers" and "app
> >>>> developers" rarely
> >>> are >separated
> >>>> like Tapestry likes to pretend they are"
> >>>
> >>> I could not disgree more with that, only geeks working on their ugly
> >>>  homepage say this.
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree with it, and while I am not sure whether I am a geek, I don't
> >> even have a homepage.
> >>
> >> I think there is a misunderstanding. Patrick doesn't claim that
> >> /design/ and app development are done by one person. He claims that
> >> HTML/CSS and app development are done by one person.
> >>
> >> The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone
> >> good HTML with proper CSS.
> >>
> >> This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the
> >> average designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in
> >> Photoshop, and let a technical person build the HTML.
> >>
> >> The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;)
> >>
> >>
> >> Timo
> >>
> >>
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