On 3/26/06, Thomas Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > then i just give them that back and they can use it to do all the pages > > (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even doable to have > > reusable templates IMO) > > Shouldn't the web-application framework provide a mechanism for the > templates? What about the idea to have the "page general look" (e.g. page > header, navigation) in just *one file* (clean HTML, because designed by the > designer), where the content is in the other markup files (clean HTML, > because designed by the designer)? >
But that is nothing new for wicket. We are providing markup inheritance already for quite a while. > -- > Best regards, > Thomas Singer > > > tcolar schrieb: > >> The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone > > good HTML >with proper CSS. Well designer typically use Dreamweaver or > > such. So if the HTML/CSS is not good, blame that on on Micromedia I > > usually get the designer to do an "initial template" in DW, and then i > > "fix it", cleaning the html and CSS, and making the layout "logical", > > then i just give them that back and they can use it to do all the pages > > (though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even doable to have > > reusable templates IMO) > > > >> This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the > > average >designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in > > Photoshop, and let a >technical person build the HTML. Well, we endup > > having to do that because of JSF, but that is not a good process, besides > > converting from photoshop to HTML/CSS in a a text editor, is very > > tedious. My main concern though here is not so much for the initial site > > development, but for the ongoing miantenance. The cotent maintenance > > (text/images/layout) should preferably be possible to do just by > > marketing/design people without involving developers. for one developers > > can't speak marketing and vice-versa so it's wasting time, and i think > > it's waste of resources having developers do this. But fact is with JSF, > > develoers have to be called for even the most basic content layout > > changes since the designer just can't work with that JSP mess. > > > >> The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;) > > true :-) , it is was up to me ..... > > > > Timo Stamm wrote: > > > >> tcolar schrieb: > >> > >>> That one kills me: > >>> > >>>> Patrick (WebWork): "I've found that "HTML/CSS developers" and "app > >>>> developers" rarely > >>> are >separated > >>>> like Tapestry likes to pretend they are" > >>> > >>> I could not disgree more with that, only geeks working on their ugly > >>> homepage say this. > >> > >> > >> I agree with it, and while I am not sure whether I am a geek, I don't > >> even have a homepage. > >> > >> I think there is a misunderstanding. Patrick doesn't claim that > >> /design/ and app development are done by one person. He claims that > >> HTML/CSS and app development are done by one person. > >> > >> The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone > >> good HTML with proper CSS. > >> > >> This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the > >> average designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in > >> Photoshop, and let a technical person build the HTML. > >> > >> The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;) > >> > >> > >> Timo > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net > >> email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that > >> extends applications into web and mobile media. 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