Hi Aaron, I think Dariusz' suggestion is that we add a conference track for non-archival "working papers" from social scientists.
It is much faster for WikiSym to change than for the recognition environment of all social scientists to change. Even if we mark papers as archival the 'conference' label may still be a downside. What do you think? -Jodi On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfa...@gmail.com>wrote: > Can we not just label which of our accepted papers are archival? It seems > that some disciplines assume Journal == Archival and Conference != > Archival. This is apparently inaccurate in other disciplines so there must > be some reason we don't just note which papers are archived and which are > not. I don't see it though. > > -Aaron > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>wrote: > >> I think it basically is a different publication model. You probably could >> have two track (one for final, the other for working papers) so as to >> address the disciplines which rely on journals as final outlets. >> >> Best, >> Dj >> 20 lis 2012 20:26, "Jodi Schneider" <jschnei...@pobox.com> napisał(a): >> >> Hi Dariusz, >>> >>> For reusing the paper unchanged this is indeed a problem. "Journal" >>> could be added to the list of mentioned reuse venues--but this still >>> wouldn't imply that the entirety of the paper could be used without change, >>> I suspect. For ACM conferences, there are two types of papers: >>> >>> - archival >>> - non-archival >>> >>> Archival papers are published in the ACM digital library, in the >>> conference proceedings, and are considered final research products to be >>> cited. >>> >>> Non-archival papers are not considered final research products and (as >>> far as I know) don't require copyright transfer. >>> >>> Aside from making papers destined to be used VERBATIM without change in >>> journals 'non-archival', how could this be addressed? >>> >>> -Jodi >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>wrote: >>> >>>> hi Jodi, >>>> >>>> the conferences I attend or follow (e.g. EGOS, AoM, APROS. SFAA) afaik >>>> do not typically require signed copyright notices at all, and if they do, >>>> the copyright is granted specifically for publishing in the proceedings, >>>> and legally resembles a license more, than a full copyright transfer. The >>>> problem with your copyright form, as I read it, is that ACM receives and >>>> retains all rights (which may be not welcome by some journal publishers, >>>> and you never know where eventually you're going to try to publish, so why >>>> risk?), and also that it does not specify journal articles as acceptable >>>> forms of future reusing the paper. >>>> >>>> In fact, the copyright form is very similar to the forms used by >>>> journals (many of which allow publishing the article on a personal page or >>>> in future book works, if proper attribution is provided). This also may >>>> indicate to some possible attendants that WikiSym conference publication is >>>> an alternative to a journal publication. >>>> >>>> In my field a conference paper does not count as a publication and is >>>> usually treated as a way of improving the paper before submitting it to a >>>> journal. Thus the possibility that you're going to use the paper almost >>>> verbatim in a journal submission is quite real. These differences possibly >>>> may result in WikiSym, as a conference and only in some disciplines, being >>>> less popular than it deserves. >>>> >>>> best, >>>> >>>> dariusz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jodi Schneider <jschnei...@pobox.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Dariusz, >>>>> >>>>> This is interesting, because if we can articulate problems in the >>>>> copyright notice, we may be able to fix them. Currently, for WikiSym, the >>>>> ACM Publications copyright form for proceedings is used: >>>>> >>>>> *http://www.acm.org/publications/CopyReleaseProc-9-12.pdf* >>>>> This includes: >>>>> * The right to reuse any portion of the Work, without fee, in future >>>>> works of the Author's (or Author's Employer's) own, including books, >>>>> lectures and presentations in all media, provided that the ACM citation, >>>>> notice of the Copyright and the ACM DOI are included ... >>>>> >>>>> * The right to revise the work. >>>>> >>>>> What is a typical copyright notice for conferences you *do* publish >>>>> in? What rights do you need? >>>>> >>>>> In computer science, typically a journal publication arising in part >>>>> from a conference paper would include new results, or several papers would >>>>> be combined. >>>>> >>>>> -Jodi >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak >>>>> <dar...@alk.edu.pl>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is why conferences such as WikiSym are not very attractive for >>>>>> my field, as they require some copyright transfer (which may effectively >>>>>> make publishing in the final destination difficult). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> __________________________ >>>> dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak >>>> profesor zarządzania >>>> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego >>>> i centrum badawczego CROW >>>> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego >>>> http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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