yes, exactly, Chitu. Aaron - per your comment:
> I'd argue that anyone who does not value a publication purely because the venue is called a "conference" regardless of the impact/restrictiveness is making a mistake. I don't think anybody here depreciated the value of conference publications. All I'm saying is that in my discipline (management/organization science, and afaik sociology, too) conference papers do not count for any career moves, grants, etc., period. You can list them, you can give acceptance rates, but it doesn't matter. It is not my preference, it is the system I have to operate in. This is why conferences such as WikiSym are not very attractive for my field, as they require some copyright transfer (which may effectively make publishing in the final destination difficult). Btw, in my discipline book chapters do not matter much neither, but they still do count in some way, while conference papers do not count at all. This is why some conference organizers game the system and publish "monographs", de facto basing on the conference proceedings. best, dj On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Chitu Okoli <chitu.ok...@concordia.ca>wrote: > I can't speak for every field, but at least for my own field of > information systems, where conferences count for zero, at least among the > most research-intensive universities: > > Counting conference publications or not is in no way a judgment either way > of the quality of the papers. In information systems, it is well known that > some high-quality conferences (such as ICIS, HICSS and AoM-OCIS) regularly > field higher quality papers than many journals. However, such publication > often counted as zero in promotion and tenure considerations. > > What is going on is that in our field (and I suspect also in similar > fields) *conferences are not considered terminal publication outlets--only > journals are*. That is, when you present a paper in a conference, even when > it is published in the proceedings, you are expected to later publish a > significantly revised and significantly extended version of that paper in a > journal article (and I would guess that in 90% of the time, this is what > happens, at least for high-quality papers). A high-quality conference paper > is expected to yield a high-quality journal article. Thus, *to avoid > double-counting*, conference publications are ignored in promotion and > tenure considerations. > > From what I understand, in fields like computer science where conferences > are terminal publication outlets (that is, conference papers are often not > republished in journals), then it naturally makes sense that the conference > papers should be considered the measure of a researcher's productive > quality. > > ~ Chitu > > > Aaron Halfaker a écrit : > > > As for disciplines that do not count conference papers, I cannot comment > because my discipline (Computer Science) looks at top tier conference > publications in a similar way to journal publications. However, I'd argue > that anyone who does not value a publication purely because the venue is > called a "conference" regardless of the impact/restrictiveness is making a > mistake. I've seen people include the acceptance rates on their CV to > avoid this situation. > > -Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > -- __________________________ dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak profesor zarządzania kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl
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