Hoi,
The point is that you insist on something where I do not see at all an
application or a use case. Why restrict it to the "main users language".
The point of Wikidata is that we do not have those.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 May 2015 at 16:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>
> I did not say "automatically translate into my on language everybody
> should speak as I'm the only True One in the Universe and everybody should
> bow and learn and pray I'll treat them well and talk in my own language
> otherwise bad things will happen",
>
> I said "transliterate in the main users language", the same reason we
> translate the UI,, the help pages, the Wikipedia articles and so on.
>
> 2015-05-01 16:40 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> A name in a script that does not make sense to you is a standard to what?
>> Do not put yourself at the centre of the galaxy... It is a few years ago,
>> that it was proven earth did not centre the sun and the sun is only a spec
>> in our galaxy.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 1 May 2015 at 11:00, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An official name in an alphabet I don't understand does not give me any
>>> useful information, not even an idea of how it is said.
>>>
>>> It may be the only information we have for sur of some item. I say it's
>>> a good idea to give the official name in the original language together
>>> with a transliteration in the user language. I don't understand how it
>>> could be a bad idea.
>>>
>>> 2015-05-01 7:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target
>>>>> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method
>>>>> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say
>>>>> orally
>>>>> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the
>>>>> official name.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the
>>>>>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a
>>>>>>> qualifier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other.
>>>>>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not
>>>>>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard <
>>>>>>>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course
>>>>>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special
>>>>>>>>> treatment
>>>>>>>>> for the ''name'' properties.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for
>>>>>>>>>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of items
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example :
>>>>>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns
>>>>>>>>>> * English labels for people
>>>>>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" <leon.liese...@wikipedia.de>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for
>>>>>>>>>>> language-independent
>>>>>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are
>>>>>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense
>>>>>>>>>>> really. If
>>>>>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you
>>>>>>>>>>> get is
>>>>>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin
>>>>>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian
>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>> language, if at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>>>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is
>>>>>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> > GerardM
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <
>>>>>>>>>>> pute...@mccme.ru> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Hoi
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any
>>>>>>>>>>> WIkipedia
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is
>>>>>>>>>>> not for the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of
>>>>>>>>>>> English.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT
>>>>>>>>>>> writes about a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the
>>>>>>>>>>> English Wikipedia
>>>>>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO
>>>>>>>>>>> (fortunately), why
>>>>>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
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