Hoi.
I have been involved with Wikidata for a long time. I know about SPARQL,
when I learned about it, it had major limitations and it was highly split
up in flavours.
We are talking Wikidata here and when tools are not available to Wikidata
people, they are hardly relevant in the Wikidata context. When you look at
Wikidata, Wikidata is increasingly relevant because of its scope and its
link to people who actually care about the data and are willing to work on
items one at a time.
I will accept your point if you are willing and able to bring those tools
in the Wikidata world. Give them relevance and by inference they become
relevant. As long as they are outside looking in, they do not really matter
except for the people lucky enough to have them.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 October 2015 at 11:14, Martynas Jusevičius <marty...@graphity.org>
wrote:
> Maybe you should put it the other way: as long as Wikidata's tools do
> not integrate with SPARQL? Because SPARQL is well-supported outside
> Wikidata, much more so than Wikidata's tools. So I think you focus on
> the wrong "niche".
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Sorry for not replying earlier.. I am busy in real life.
> >
> > It is good to be wrong, particularly about something like this. It is
> much
> > better to have this engine available to people. What I find relevant is
> that
> > additional tools are needed to make it shareable. This combined with the
> > learning curve involved, I do not have much time available to me lately,
> > prevent me from exploring it.
> >
> > I do not really feel the need as WDQ fulfills my needs perfectly. It is
> > because it integrates with the tools that I use.
> >
> > For me SPARQL may be awesome but as long as it does not integrate with
> tools
> > and is all over the place, it remains a niche; it is there for some but
> not
> > others. Once it does integrate and is mostly hidden from view, its power
> > becomes relevant. This has been as true for WDQ; most people use its
> engine
> > in tools but do not make queries themselves.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 October 2015 at 16:31, Kingsley Idehen <kide...@openlinksw.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/25/15 10:51 AM, James Heald wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gerard. Blazegraph is the name of the open-source SPARQL engine
> being
> >> used to provide the Wikidata SPARQL service.
> >>
> >> So Blazegraph *is* available to all of us, at
> https://query.wikidata.org/
> >> , via both the query editor, and the SPARQL API endpoint.
> >>
> >> It's convenient to talk describe some issues with the SPARQL service
> being
> >> "Blazegraph issues", if the issues appear to lie with the query engine.
> >>
> >> Other query engines that other people be running might be running might
> >> have other specific issues, eg "Virtuoso issues". But it is Blazegraph
> that
> >> the Discovery team and Wikidata have decided to go with.
> >>
> >>
> >> The beauty of SPARQL is that you can use URLs to show query results (and
> >> even query definitions). Ultimately, engine aside, there is massive
> utility
> >> in openly sharing queries and then determining what might the real
> problem.
> >>
> >> Let's use open standards to work in as open a fashion as is possible.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Kingsley Idehen
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