> what is the function of all the policies when they so obviously are hardly worth the bits they consist of.
Policies are not commands that have to be blindly obeyed. They are a general framework for the admins and users to approach the blurry or defined limits, but of course some autonomy is needed to decide in edge or uncertain cases. That means to take decisions that eventually will make some people (like you in this case) unhappy. I generally prefer to have admins with more autonomy than with less, more specifically because when there are less regulations the type of people involved tend to create in general a more amiable climate, and I think that has been the case so far for Wikidata. If you are complaining about the health of the community, then you should be careful with the things you seem to wish for (regulations, processes, etc), because it can backfire and have the opposite effect. OTOH, if Commons is going to have its own structured database and those items might qualify there with less opposition, why to make such a big deal about it? Regards, Micru On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > What is trivial. I find that the disappointment in what our policies bring > us amounts to a lot. Effectively it is only who you are that determines > what you get away with. The quality of arguments are easily dismissed with > "I have a different opinion" (that is NOT an argument. > > When you look at my credentials you will agree that I have been involved > heavily in our project and for all the wrong reasons I am disengaging. I > object to the way conflicts are handled. I object to the collective shrug > of not caring, not wanting to be involved of our admins. In the end it does > not matter. > > Wikidata is a very important project that is underserved in attention to > its community. It just sort of happens and the statistics are so good that > we do not even look at the relative health of Wikidata as a community. > > It is one thing for stewards to say what they say, it is one thing for > individual administrators to say what they say but when the situation goes > rogue, when arguments presented by others do not get the collective > attention of the administrative processes that are in place. When the > allegation that admins do as they please is just a determination it becomes > obvious to raise the question what is the function of all the policies when > they so obviously are hardly worth the bits they consist of. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 1 August 2016 at 02:05, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [Note: I'm using the last message for a cumulative reply] >> >> Wikidata has 16k active users, 66 admins, 3 'crats, with a pretty active >> community. This thread has turned into a weird mix of inclusionism vs. >> deletionism catfight + a request to undelete some contents in a specific >> project + a series of off-topics. The first part might fit the scope of >> this list (though is *so* boring), same for the third one. Instead, the >> second part must be discussed on Wikidata following local policies. >> >> Finally, just to clarify: undeletions by stewards are completely out of >> our mission and policies (I, for one, would rather intervene to delete ^^), >> same for the staffers. No chances to overrule a community for such trivial >> reasons. >> >> Vito >> >> 2016-08-01 0:36 GMT+02:00 Info WorldUniversity < >> i...@worlduniversityandschool.org>: >> >>> If, as Jimbo Wales' wrote the purpose of Wikipedia involves imagining >>> "a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to >>> the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing.—Jimbo Wales >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimbo_Wales>[3] >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Purpose#cite_note-3>" >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Purpose ... >>> >>> and the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation includes: >>> >>> "The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people >>> around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free >>> license <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:free_content> or in the >>> public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally. >>> >>> In collaboration with a network of chapters >>> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Local_chapters>, the Foundation >>> provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for >>> the support and development of multilingual wiki projects >>> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects> and other endeavors >>> which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep useful >>> information from its projects available on the Internet free of charge >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:gratis>, in perpetuity." >>> >>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement >>> >>> I'd vote as a Wikidata community member for aggregating conferences and >>> courses in all languages with machine and wiki (human) processes. Whether >>> this is best done in Wikidata/Wikibase, or another related platform or >>> elsewhere, may be worth exploring process-wise in a number of different >>> Wikidata forums and discussions. This also seems wise, and relatively easy >>> too I.T.-wise, given shared unfolding agreement among Wikidatans and >>> Wikipedians. >>> >>> Friendly regards, Scott >>> >>> CC https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch >>> >>> On Jul 31, 2016 2:18 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> There were lists of Wikimania talks for the Wikimanias. So these items >>>> were not standing alone they were in context and THAT is what makes it >>>> attractive to have them. We do have Wikimanias as items and on there own >>>> they do not provide information. Looking at them from only WIkidata you do >>>> not get the picture. Thank <enter your deity> that Magnus has his fantastic >>>> tools that allow us to show the value of data. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 31 July 2016 at 22:47, Stas Malyshev <smalys...@wikimedia.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> > Ask yourself what it is about.. It is about the Wikimania talks. What >>>>> > was done is removing all the Wikimania talks without any discussion. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder whether Wikidata is really the best platform to host Wikimania >>>>> talks and information about it. While I have no doubt these are >>>>> excellent talks of great interest to Wiki community, their notability >>>>> in >>>>> the larger world is a more difficult question. Specifically, would we >>>>> create an item for every talk even for a major conference (not >>>>> considering copyright etc. questions now)? We have a lot of conferences >>>>> with much wider attendance than Wikimania happening each year. >>>>> >>>>> Now, Wikimania is of course special - for Wiki movement. And having >>>>> *some* repository for this content and knowledge would be completely >>>>> appropriate. However, is that repository Wikidata - as purported to be >>>>> repository of knowledge of general public interest? I am much less sure >>>>> of it. Unless we take the wider mission of accepting data about talks >>>>> on >>>>> any conference of note - which may be possible, but I'm not sure >>>>> whether >>>>> it should be done... If yes, then of course clear policy statement to >>>>> that effect may be helpful - so people who are not sure about it like >>>>> me >>>>> would know what the community consensus has arrived to. >>>>> -- >>>>> Stas Malyshev >>>>> smalys...@wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non
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