I'm thinking a page on Meta to start with. I'll get round to it when I get home from work tonight CET.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > Exsqueeze the ignorance. I'm still a n00b. Martijn, where should we > set this discussion up? > > It's clear that there are several people who are interested in talking > templates. I'm getting my hands dirty with them on another project I'm > working on. I don't mean to rush you; just tell me what to set up for > this discussion and where, and I'll make sure it gets done. > > ,Wil > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Martijn Hoekstra > <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > > > >> > tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long > enough. > >> Who > >> > wants to help with fixing them? > >> > >> I want to help fix them. > >> > > > > Great to hear. Getting my ass in to gear is one of my greatest > weaknesses, > > and from what I know from you you're really good at that. :) > > > >> > >> > I hope we can, for the coming period, accomplish the following: > >> > > >> > * Catalog the problems with templates. Make a comprehensive list that > >> > enumerates the problems with templates we have now, categories the > >> problems > >> > (right now I'm roughly thinking in style, wikitext parsing rules and > >> > generated HTML, creation and writing issues (let's hope there is > little > >> of > >> > this one left after Scribunto), and usability by editors). > >> > * Note which quirks that lead to technical difficulties are used in > the > >> > wild as features rather than bugs. > >> > * Brain storm possible (partial) solutions. > >> > * Find candidates that have high bang-for-buck possible solutions > without > >> > impeding future improvements much. > >> > * Refine those solutions so we know quite exactly what it will fix, > what > >> it > >> > won't fix, and what it would possibly break. > >> > * Define sane fallback procedures for when things break; this should > >> mainly > >> > come from the editing communities, but could probably use some > guidance > >> of > >> > what is possible/easy/logical/feasible from a technical POV from the > >> > development community. > >> > * Fix templates. > >> > >> I'd like to add distribution as one of the pain points. I wanted to > >> have the templates that are available on enwiki for another Mediawiki > >> installation, but I couldn't get them to work. It seems like every > >> template has a maze of dependencies, and when I resorted to exporting > >> all of the templates from the Mediawiki site, the software > >> consistently crashed before all templates were exported. I might have > >> been doing it wrong, but I couldn't find any other options. Ideally, > >> something like a package management system for templates, extensions, > >> and skins would be a godsend. > >> > > > > A "Mediawiki core templates pack" sounds like a good idea - as would > making > > template and module interdependencies explicit to somewhat avoid the > Great > > Tangle. > > > > aside - wikitech-l as well as #mediawiki freenode are in my experience > > happy to help with individual setup woes, which could help you with the > > acute import issues /aside > > > >> > >> > What do you all think? Should we make this happen? > >> > >> I'm no template expert, but I agree with a lot of what you've said > >> based on the experiences I've had. I think we should discuss this > >> somewhere that is less transient than this list. > > > > > > Stop rushing me all y'all! ;) > > > > > >> ln short, I'm down. > >> > >> ,Wil > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
