First day back from vacation, I'm drafting response as we speak, just haven't sanity-checked enough to hit send yet :) Will soon!
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Bumping....I do not see any response on this mailing list from the > Grantmaking team, and I can't actually find very much about this entire > plan on the Grants portal at Meta (which may say more about the grants > portal than about the dissemination of the plant). > > However, since this is something that has the potential to affect a lot of > Wikimedians (individuals, chapters, and other affiliated groups)...as well > as women (apparently)... it would be really nice to see what is going on. > Some people have mentioned that they received an email. Perhaps it could > be forwarded to this mailing list? > > Risker/Anne > > On 3 January 2015 at 13:35, Lila Tretikov <l...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > For everyone here: I've asked our Grantmaking team to comment and clarify > > the details of this plan. > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Answering to Teemu and Chris: > > > > > > I do think that the for Wiki Loves Monuments and Wiki Loves Art it is > > safe > > > to claim that if we organize it the way we would always do, it would > > still > > > tip the gender balance in our community a little more to the female > side. > > > However, I disagree that this should be a main consideration, because I > > > think that would be true for so many outreach projects. Focusing on > that > > > would be a pity and a distraction imho. Also, for most participants we > > > don't know the gender, and we don't want to know the gender (because > > asking > > > for it alone can scare people away) - except for a sample of them, who > > > happen to answer the survey afterwards. All data on that is quite > shaky. > > > > > > If necessary, I could easily make a case why WLM is a wonderful > gendergap > > > project - the point is that I don't want volunteers to waste their time > > on > > > making such cases, but rather let them be innovative, come up with new > > > ideas instead of rebranding existing ideas on something like the > > gendergap. > > > My problems are more fundamental than 'I can't get money for my > specific > > > project'. > > > > > > So Chris: yes, these people do a lot for reducing the gender gap in our > > > projects. Also, Wikimedia organizers tend to hop between projects - > their > > > next might be more focused on a topic that is popular with women, if > > their > > > current idea isn't yet. Drawing them into a topic in a positive way > (what > > > we do is cool! Join us!) tends to be more successful than telling them > > they > > > are not allowed to do other stuff (we won't fund you at all unless you > do > > > this specific theme). > > > > > > Prioritisation sounds great, but that only works that way if you have > one > > > clearly defined pool of resources, that you can actually control. What > do > > > you think is the major bottle neck in organizing activities in the > > > Wikimedia movement? In my experience, that is not money, or even WMF > > staff > > > capacity (even though it is a limiting factor sometimes), but the > primary > > > bottle neck is volunteer organizers (or editors). And volunteer time is > > not > > > a resource you can easily 'control'. If you want to influence it, the > > most > > > effective way is by persuading the volunteers why another angle is more > > > interesting, more fun, more effective. > > > > > > Best, > > > Lodewijk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Chris Keating < > > chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Like Bence, I would be interested to see how this kind of experiment > in > > > WMF > > > > grantmaking works out. And also like him I would be a little > surprised > > if > > > > something like this is implemented with no notice period. > > > > > > > > A couple of responses to Lodewijk's post; > > > > > > > > > > > > > with people > > > > > confirming my fear that this will likely undermine the community > > > support > > > > > (or at least support by the 'organizing community') for > > > gendergap-related > > > > > projects in general - be it out of frustration, compensation or > > > jealousy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of interest, were any of these people doing anything at all to > > > support > > > > the reduction of the gender gap in the first place? ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > called it a 'negative campaign' in my emails because the focus is > not > > > > about > > > > > actively boosting one type of requests (which is the claim), but > > rather > > > > > about making it harder to do something unrelated to it in the hope > > that > > > > > people instead will choose for the easy way, and organize a > gendergap > > > > > related event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equally, if you have limited resources, prioritising one thing means > > > > reducing attention to something else. So saying "we shouldn't work on > > the > > > > gender gap if anything else gets less atention as a result" is > > logically > > > > equivalent to saying "We shouldn't work on the gender gap". > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Siko Bouterse Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. * *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button today, and help us make it a reality!* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
