I would consider this discussion as a sensible one if you are editors of Cebuano and Waray-Waray Wikipedias, oppose the idea of creating bot-generated articles and have better plan how to increase quality and quantity of those projects. Optionally, you are always free to offer your help to those projects and start working.
Without such actions, I see opposition to that work as vanity expression: It's not fair that they have bigger than ours. Article count is a valid measurement and it says exactly how many articles exist in Wikipedia in particular language. I hope this tautology is clear enough. Conclusions based on article count may vary, but, don't worry, they are not about the greatness of your Wikipedia community or your ethnolinguistic group. What makes sense -- and thus I am replying to Amir's message -- is to build repository of common knowledge and best practices related to bot generated articles. On Jul 6, 2015 12:15, "Amir Ladsgroup" <ladsgr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm a bot operator in Persian Wikipedia (~500K articles) and I'm directly > or indirectly responsible for creating more than half of the articles in > that Wiki using automated or semi-automated tools that I built. If our > language used Latin alphabet, we definitely would be one of the five > biggest wikis. > > I'm telling this to emphasize I'm not against bot-creating articles in > general but I agree this is not the way we build Wikipedia. > > We create articles of Wikipedia for people to read. Even if your articles > has a very low quality eventually someone will improve it [1] but articles > that have reader. How many of these articles will be read by people? > Honestly I think 100K out of the 1M was enough. > > That's why we created articles by bot in broad topics in Persian Wikipedia > (minor planets 16K, villages of Iran 70K, national heritages of Iran 20K, > cities of the world ~20K, chemical compounds 10-20K) because 20K articles > in same topic attracts less then half of reader comparing to combination of > 10K in one topic and 10K in another topic. > > [1]: IPs can't create article, we enabled it once, disaster. but they can > edit articles (low-quality-bot-created articles) and it attracts to add > something and after a while they become a regular editor. That's why > Persian Wikipedia has one of the highest growth rate in number of users and > active users. So bot-created articles can be useful but not this way. > Best > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an > encyclopaedia. > > > > The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is > > edited. > > > > You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the > final > > analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing information. > > Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is possible > > to generate them on the fly based on information from Wikidata and cache > > the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of technology that would bring > > missing information to any Wikipedia without distorting the number of > > articles for people who only care about editors and editing. It is > EXACTLY > > the kind of technology I would welcome the WMF to explore. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers > > > https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers > > > > > > An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an > > > encyclopedia? > > > > > > Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In this > > case > > > these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one of > > its > > > pilaster. > > > > > > In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a demonstration > > > that any "strange" language can have a big traffic if it is placed in > the > > > first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in search > > > engines. > > > > > > But an impact is something that produces "effects" and > "dissemination". I > > > don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure (page > > view) > > > and nothing else. > > > > > > If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of evaluations > > must > > > change. > > > > > > It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported by a > > > "mature" community, because the articles will be improved in quality > and > > > will generate more and more effects. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > How do you know that there is no impact ? > > > > > > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm > > shows > > > > clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The > same > > > is > > > > true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number > of > > > > speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact ! > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is an example about how to produce a "formal" impact without a > > > > "real" > > > > > impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A <salvador1...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > > > I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are > inside > > > the > > > > > list > > > > > > of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it happened > > > during > > > > > > this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a > > little > > > > > > before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a > thread > > > > > > announcing this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed > it.wiki > > > and > > > > > > es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot > > work.[2] > > > > > > Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias > > > > > > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > *Salvador Alcántar* > > > > > > *@salvador_alc* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ilario Valdelli > > > > > Wikimedia CH > > > > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > > > > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > > > > > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > > > > > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > > > > > Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> > > > > > Skype: valdelli > > > > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli <https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli> > > > > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli> > > > > > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli < > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: +41764821371 > > > > > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ilario Valdelli > > > Wikimedia CH > > > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > > > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > > > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > > > Wikipedia: Ilario <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> > > > Skype: valdelli > > > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli <https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli> > > > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli <https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli> > > > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli < > > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 > > > > > > > Tel: +41764821371 > > > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > Amir > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
