I'm very disappointed to know that the board meeting was still ongoing as at
the time James revealed that he was ejected from the board. It is a silly idea!
Perhaps he felt the community can stop the meeting or override the decision of
the board of trustee. The WMF BoT is not a parliament where the house do not
have the veto power to remove an elected member.
Section 7 (remover) of the WMF's bylaws clearly stipulated that
“Any Trustee may be removed, with or without cause, by a majority vote of the
Trustees then in office in accordance with the procedures set forth in Section
617.0808(1), or other relevant provisions of the Act”. Based on this bylaw,
James remover is justified!
I understand that majority of the community members who elected James are
likely not to be aware of this provisions but James is aware of it and will
probably have an answer to (1) the reason for his remover (2) why his remover
was supported by eight members and (3) why the third community-elected trustee,
Denny Vrandečić, lost confidence supported his removal.
The fact that James never stated the reasons why he was ejected from the board
as at the time he disclosed his remover is worrisome.
James, I'm sorry if I'm too factual here.
Best,
Olatunde Isaac.
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 09:44:38 -0500
From: Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board
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"Well, tell that to James. He's the one who went public without warning in
the middle of the meeting. You are 100% wrong that this is a decision
*against* the community. I know why I voted the way I did - and it has to
do with my strong belief in the values of this community and the
responsibilities of board members to uphold those values. If a board member
fails the community in such a serious way, tough decisions have to be made
about what to do.--Jimbo Wales
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales> (talk
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top>) 20:57, 29
December 2015 (UTC)"
Comment from Jimmy, both implicitly criticizing James Heilman for revealing
that he was ejected from the board and suggesting that James failed to
uphold the values of the community in a serious way. Later on Jimmy tries
to walk back the criticism as "merely stating a fact."
James responded by pointing out that he was removed from the board and then
told to leave the room, at which point he posted to the mailing list. The
complaint that he published the decision while the meeting was ongoing is
silly, although I can certainly see why the remaining members would have
preferred to control the narrative themselves.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:10:33 +0000
From: Fæ <fae...@gmail.com>
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I'm sure that board members would have preferred for the WMF Chairperson to
make a statement, rather Jimmy publishing personal opinions as "facts".
The comments about James are disappointing for many reasons, but should be
given appropriate weight... probably a lot less weight than James' own
comments, in the light of how several past WMF political non-successes
played out.
Fae
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:47:29 +0100
From: Thomas Goldammer <tho...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board
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@Jimmy Wales: The problem is not that James was too fast to publish the
fact that he was ejected. I'm pretty sure if the Board decided to boot you
out, you would have posted something, too. And that's absolutely natural.
The problem is merely that the Board is too slow to publish the reasons for
the decision. If you make such a sweeping decision, even if not planned
ahead at all, you do have the obligation to sit down together immediately
and write that statement - you know that there is that community out there,
and you knew very well what would happen on this mailing list. And it's
really not as if you were a magician who was asked to explain his trick.
Th.
2015-12-30 15:44 GMT+01:00 Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com>:
> "Well, tell that to James. He's the one who went public without warning in
> the middle of the meeting. You are 100% wrong that this is a decision
> *against* the community. I know why I voted the way I did - and it has to
> do with my strong belief in the values of this community and the
> responsibilities of board members to uphold those values. If a board member
> fails the community in such a serious way, tough decisions have to be made
> about what to do.--Jimbo Wales
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales> (talk
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#top>) 20:57, 29
> December 2015 (UTC)"
>
> Comment from Jimmy, both implicitly criticizing James Heilman for revealing
> that he was ejected from the board and suggesting that James failed to
> uphold the values of the community in a serious way. Later on Jimmy tries
> to walk back the criticism as "merely stating a fact."
>
> James responded by pointing out that he was removed from the board and then
> told to leave the room, at which point he posted to the mailing list. The
> complaint that he published the decision while the meeting was ongoing is
> silly, although I can certainly see why the remaining members would have
> preferred to control the narrative themselves.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:02:24 -0300
From: Anna Torres <d...@wikimedia.org.ar>
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Dear all,
Even though is in spanish, please find in the following link the Anual
Memorial 2015 <http://wikimedia.org.ar/memorial2015/> regarding WMAR
programs and activities.
In there, you can find activities' descripctions and results for our main
programs and actions taken during 2015.
Hope you all enjoy it!
Hugs and happy new year!
--
Anna Torres Adell
Directora Ejecutiva
*A.C. Wikimedia Argentina*
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 09:51:13 -0800
From: Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board
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Depending on what all we learn as this goes forward, some action items that
may emerge from this situation as it seems to be evolving so far:
(1) the board may need to work on its communication strategies
(2) this may be an opportunity for another discussion about Board
composition and structure, including the role of Jimmy
(3) this situation may inform a review of the bylaws concerning how board
members are appointed and removed, particularly community-elected members
(4) this situation is an opportunity for a significant increase in the
transparency of WMF Board activities. I still am of the view that far more
of what happens at the WMF Board should be public and transparent. This
includes how they handle allegations against one of their own. If
government entities like city councils and national legislatures can do
this, I think that the WMF Board should hold itself to at least that level
of transparency. Yes these are uncomfortable discussions to have in public,
but as we can see from how this situation is developing, handling them in
private has its own downsides. I don't know how other affiliates work, but
here in Cascadia Wikimedians there is very little that the Board does that
can't be made public. I would hope that the WMF Board would hold itself to
similarly high expectations for openness and transparency, even when it's
uncomfortable. The controversial nature of information, by itself, is not a
sufficient reason for keeping information private. So I hope that the WMF
Board will consider new levels of openness about its deliberations.
Something that I suggested awhile ago was live broadcasts of Board meetings
(with a limited exception for executive sessions) and I still think that
level of openness is appropriate for the Board of an open-source
organization.
It will be interesting to see what more we learn as this situation evolves.
Pine
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:09:49 +0100
From: Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>
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I think that your 'lessons' are quite premature. We still don't know the
what, the why and the how. We don't know the context of everything that
happened. It may very well be that the process as it is, worked perfectly.
It may also be that it was disastrous.
transparency and good communication don't necessarily go hand in hand with
'quick', as was pointed out by some.
Some other points that you touch, may very well be good material for
discussion, but not necessarily relevant to this specific event. The
transparency of board deliberations and the role of board members in the
board (not limited to jimmy) is /always/ good to reconsider, and keep an
open mind for. A more fundamental reconsideration may be the (formal)
membership of the Wikimedia Foundation. But, while this would have
influenced the current situation, it is not necessarily related. They often
say that incidents make bad policy.
At the same time, please keep in mind that Cascadia Wikimedians are not
quite comparable with the Wikimedia Foundation. The budget if three (if not
more) orders of magnitude higher, and the involvement of staff this large
also makes a different organisational structure.
Lodewijk
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Depending on what all we learn as this goes forward, some action items that
> may emerge from this situation as it seems to be evolving so far:
>
> (1) the board may need to work on its communication strategies
> (2) this may be an opportunity for another discussion about Board
> composition and structure, including the role of Jimmy
> (3) this situation may inform a review of the bylaws concerning how board
> members are appointed and removed, particularly community-elected members
> (4) this situation is an opportunity for a significant increase in the
> transparency of WMF Board activities. I still am of the view that far more
> of what happens at the WMF Board should be public and transparent. This
> includes how they handle allegations against one of their own. If
> government entities like city councils and national legislatures can do
> this, I think that the WMF Board should hold itself to at least that level
> of transparency. Yes these are uncomfortable discussions to have in public,
> but as we can see from how this situation is developing, handling them in
> private has its own downsides. I don't know how other affiliates work, but
> here in Cascadia Wikimedians there is very little that the Board does that
> can't be made public. I would hope that the WMF Board would hold itself to
> similarly high expectations for openness and transparency, even when it's
> uncomfortable. The controversial nature of information, by itself, is not a
> sufficient reason for keeping information private. So I hope that the WMF
> Board will consider new levels of openness about its deliberations.
> Something that I suggested awhile ago was live broadcasts of Board meetings
> (with a limited exception for executive sessions) and I still think that
> level of openness is appropriate for the Board of an open-source
> organization.
>
> It will be interesting to see what more we learn as this situation evolves.
>
> Pine
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